Straight Sided Rifle Cartridge Season

[missy83]

An old friend of mine bought a Marlin chambered in 45/70 to hunt in Ohio for there gun hunt. I would like to see Ontario go that direction in the shot gun hunt. I would be all over the .444 marlin


Dustin

[Ddesrochers]

Yup I would use my 45-70 for that .

[canadaman30]

I guess some big bores like 458wm would make the cut?.

[rippin_355]

I guess some big bores like 458wm would make the cut?.

Nope because many states have a limit in the case length allowed.

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[werner.reiche]

An old friend of mine bought a Marlin chambered in 45/70 to hunt in Ohio for there gun hunt. I would like to see Ontario go that direction in the shot gun hunt. I would be all over the .444 marlin


Dustin

The .444 marlin with the LE ammo is a pretty legitimate 300 yard rifle.
I am still completely lost on the idea of a "straight walled cartridge" season.
I use a "straight walled cartridge" during the regular deer season.

[canadaman30]

The .444 marlin with the LE ammo is a pretty legitimate 300 yard rifle.
I am still completely lost on the idea of a "straight walled cartridge" season.
I use a "straight walled cartridge" during the regular deer season.

I totally agree, 444, 45-70, 450m don't perform the same as shotguns.

[Fox]

Well the shotgun limit stems from the migratory bird regs as far as I know and Ontario doesn’t allow it to be different but some states limit it for migratory birds but not for other animals.

Besides, go to the northern part of southern Ontario (Mount Forest, Dundalk, Meaford etc) and there are rifle seasons without capacity limits already.


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I am aware of this but I think that it is a happy accident that the 3 shot maximum is used for the deer hunt. There are situations where a brown wave comes out of the bush, a dozen guys with 14rds each in a lever gun could be a potentially very dangerous situation and could completely wipe out deer in certain areas.

[Rob Stewart]

I am aware of this but I think that it is a happy accident that the 3 shot maximum is used for the deer hunt. There are situations where a brown wave comes out of the bush, a dozen guys with 14rds each in a lever gun could be a potentially very dangerous situation and could completely wipe out deer in certain areas.

Well to begin with there's the tag system so the deer population is safe from hunters. No law will affect what poachers do and I've heard those jackasses use 22LR head shots. :-(

Also, there's no mag limit on manual action rifles in the rifle season anyway.

No, I think the 3 round limit on shotguns simply comes down to the fact it's easier to impose this limit on ALL shotgun hunting to match the migratory bird regulations.

Anyway, straight walled seasons seem to exist in other places so I don't see any reason why not to allow it here. I'd say I'd buy a rifled barrel for my shotgun but honestly, I'd just like to see deer. Last couple years out I've had almost no luck. I blame getting a doe tag. Every year I don't have a doe tag I see lots of deer.

[Fox]

Well to begin with there's the tag system so the deer population is safe from hunters. No law will affect what poachers do and I've heard those jackasses use 22LR head shots. :-(

Also, there's no mag limit on manual action rifles in the rifle season anyway.

No, I think the 3 round limit on shotguns simply comes down to the fact it's easier to impose this limit on ALL shotgun hunting to match the migratory bird regulations.

Anyway, straight walled seasons seem to exist in other places so I don't see any reason why not to allow it here. I'd say I'd buy a rifled barrel for my shotgun but honestly, I'd just like to see deer. Last couple years out I've had almost no luck. I blame getting a doe tag. Every year I don't have a doe tag I see lots of deer.

Yes and no, there are tag limits but when you have a gang of 20 guys surrounding a small bush you can totally eliminate all the animals in that bush with 1 guy and 1 gun if you have an unlimited magazine. It is not the same as hunting with a rifle up north, the deer density is a lot higher in the bush that does exist.

I hunt Eastern Ontario farm land, used to hunt Eastern Ontario big bush and I hunt SW Ontario farm land, there is no comparison to SW Ontario farmland for deer density in the small bush properties, and the number of hunters chasing them.

There is also a question of safety, if a deer is running through a field people tend to focus on the animal and forget the rest, 3 shots are generally shot quickly enough that the safe shooting window is generally kept, 14 rds in something like a long barrel 45LC lever action rifle could lead to an increase in shots towards farms.

I just feel like the 3 shot rule forced by the migratory bird laws have some benefit when it comes to the high density controlled hunts in SW Ontario.

[rippin_355]

Yes and no, there are tag limits but when you have a gang of 20 guys surrounding a small bush you can totally eliminate all the animals in that bush with 1 guy and 1 gun if you have an unlimited magazine. It is not the same as hunting with a rifle up north, the deer density is a lot higher in the bush that does exist.

I hunt Eastern Ontario farm land, used to hunt Eastern Ontario big bush and I hunt SW Ontario farm land, there is no comparison to SW Ontario farmland for deer density in the small bush properties, and the number of hunters chasing them.

There is also a question of safety, if a deer is running through a field people tend to focus on the animal and forget the rest, 3 shots are generally shot quickly enough that the safe shooting window is generally kept, 14 rds in something like a long barrel 45LC lever action rifle could lead to an increase in shots towards farms.

I just feel like the 3 shot rule forced by the migratory bird laws have some benefit when it comes to the high density controlled hunts in SW Ontario.

That is just silly. I could carry an Enfield with 10 rounds if I choose to. I have hunted 82b most of my life and we have never shot, or been shot by anyone. Nor heard of that happening. You are sounding like you are the type who believes inanimate objects just jump up and kill things!

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