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    Default Straight Sided Rifle Cartridge Season

    So I noticed that in some states you can hunt with straight sided rifle cartridges during shotgun season. (Ie 357 mag, 44 mag, 45-70 etc)

    If you think about it, the ballistics of a 45-70 arenít that different than a 12 ga slug. The pistol cartridges are even weaker. Arguably using a rifled shotgun slug barrel would put you in the same game as a 45-70 and thatís legal.

    Anyone else like to see this here in Ontario during shotgun season?


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    Thumbup I'll drink to that

    Never been a shotgunner for big game so would support this idea. I would opt for a muzzleloader over a shotgun personally, but range of modern muzzleloaders isn't so much different from straight-walled cartridges, so no real reason to exclude them. Start a petition to send to MNRF.
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    The idea has been floating around for a while, I suspect that the only way this may work is if there was a 3rd total capacity limit, the 3rd limit saves a lot of deer in SW Ontario, a 14rd lever gun in a pistol cartridge would be a big problem for the population.

    I agree with you, pistol cartridges, straight wall BP cartridges, even maybe a list of legal cartridges but limiting the magazine capacity would be necessary too.

    I do not see it happening though, hard enough to keep legal hunting.

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    Yup itís called the rainbow trajectory...

    It should be legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    The idea has been floating around for a while, I suspect that the only way this may work is if there was a 3rd total capacity limit, the 3rd limit saves a lot of deer in SW Ontario, a 14rd lever gun in a pistol cartridge would be a big problem for the population.

    I agree with you, pistol cartridges, straight wall BP cartridges, even maybe a list of legal cartridges but limiting the magazine capacity would be necessary too.

    I do not see it happening though, hard enough to keep legal hunting.
    Well the shotgun limit stems from the migratory bird regs as far as I know and Ontario doesnít allow it to be different but some states limit it for migratory birds but not for other animals.

    Besides, go to the northern part of southern Ontario (Mount Forest, Dundalk, Meaford etc) and there are rifle seasons without capacity limits already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Stewart View Post
    So I noticed that in some states you can hunt with straight sided rifle cartridges during shotgun season. (Ie 357 mag, 44 mag, 45-70 etc)

    If you think about it, the ballistics of a 45-70 aren’t that different than a 12 ga slug. The pistol cartridges are even weaker. Arguably using a rifled shotgun slug barrel would put you in the same game as a 45-70 and that’s legal.

    Anyone else like to see this here in Ontario during shotgun season?


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    It would be nice if legislators could understand the terminal velocity and ballistics. Particularly when manufacturers are now realizing the market and are developing cartridges and guns expressly for this purpose ( Win .350 Legend)

    Actually the 45-70 is almost identical to the 20 gauge saboted slug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebulldog View Post
    It would be nice if legislators could understand the terminal velocity and ballistics. Particularly when manufacturers are now realizing the market and are developing cartridges and guns expressly for this purpose ( Win .350 Legend)

    Actually the 45-70 is almost identical to the 20 gauge saboted slug.
    Yea, the whole .275 limit in parts of S/Ontario is an example. Your 270 vs my 30-30 and you win for distance.


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    Downrange the 45-70 will eat a slug. Look up the Sandy Hook performance tests from the late 1800's when they were testing the cartridge for U.S. military use. At one mile!
    You were saying
    I'm afield with a .45-70 and a .44RM this week. I love big bore rifle.
    I think your proposal opens a can of worms that might draw attention to the .275 rule too and we don't need that.

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