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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    The video list a feature called 'bullet guiding muzzel."....what the heck is that ???? HaHa..
    I thought it was referring to leaving the barrel, turns out it's for loading, and it's a real thing; funny, been using barrels with recessed muzzle rifling for years, never knew it was anything but a common sense design.

    Your CVA features a Bullet Guiding Muzzle™. This is a short unrifled section at the muzzle that allows easy insertion of the bullet into the bore. Press the bullet into this section with your thumb. Use a bullet starter to push the bullet into the rifling.
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    TC calls it a QLA muzzle,,, quick load assist, some people cut the that off the barrel and is said to improve accuracy in some

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdog View Post
    TC calls it a QLA muzzle,,, quick load assist, some people cut the that off the barrel and is said to improve accuracy in some
    Not much of an issue if your using sabots, the cup would still be engaged in the rifling when the bullet has left the barrel in full spin.
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    Ive never had an issue with it, others have, and reported better accuracy after having it removed

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    So these 280 ELR look very much like a rip off of about 6 other bullets out on market.

    I’d like to know the jacket thickness.

    If it’s as light as the rest they will go to pieces in animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    So these 280 ELR look very much like a rip off of about 6 other bullets out on market.
    Aren't all bullets a 'rip off' of 6 other bullets out there ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    If it’s as light as the rest they will go to pieces in animal.
    As advertised;
    PowerBelt Paramount ELR bullets are designed for shooters who require long-range power and accuracy, without compromising ballistic performance. These .45 caliber bullets feature an incredibly high ballistic coefficient (.345) for flatter trajectories and higher velocities than other muzzleloader bullets on the market today. The extended ballistic tip is designed to enhance accuracy, ballistic coefficient, as well as proper expansion on game with minimal fragmentation.
    Found some pics off another forum;

    Recovered bullet showing little fragmentation.



    Measurement of copper plating;



    Bullet Trajectory chart;

    Marginal ft/lbs (996) at 500...look at the drop (-87") even when zeroed at 200 !!

    Last edited by MikePal; January 26th, 2020 at 05:27 AM.
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    That bullet looks very fragmented Mike. Looks torn to pieces.

    The video shows the fellow hitting 400 yard but I wonder what his group looks like. If it’s good it could be a great option!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    That bullet looks very fragmented Mike. Looks torn to pieces.
    No mention of the media it was taken from....but the blue spot would be the polymer, still in place, so it can't be that badly fragmented.

    Besides if you're just punching paper...who cares if the bullet fragments ???



    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    The video shows the fellow hitting 400 yard but I wonder what his group looks like. If it’s good it could be a great option!
    From a hunter' perspective....off the shelf gun with off the shelf ammo and a 1st shot , kill shot, out to 400...that is more than just an 'option' !! Remember it's only the first shot that counts HaHa...

    And more gun than 90% of hunters will ever use.....there may only a handfull of guys around that can make that shot with an ML (without a benchrest) in a hunting scenario.
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    I’ve seen lots of guys trying their best to hit at 300. You don’t know how many shots he took.

    If it truly does that every time you pick it then great. Repeatability is the key.

    The bullet is in pieces mike.

    This is a 275 GN Arrowhead bullet 2 or 3 rd gen. Measures 1.4 inches in length.

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    I shot 3 deer with that bullet in the 310 version but never again. They basically go to pieces leaving the last bit intact.

    The other thing I’ll point out is the blue bit on the end hurts your BC.

    The bullet in my picture runs at .435 BC and that’s confirmed with a Labradar downrange velocity readings.

    I don’t understand why guys don’t just buy a swinglock smooth form die and go bullet to bore in 45 cal barrels with bh209.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    I don’t understand why guys don’t just buy a swinglock smooth form die and go bullet to bore in 45 cal barrels with bh209.
    The vast majority of the ML market is geared towards guys who buy their bullets at Walmart and use pelleted powder. The percentage of guys who shoot long range like yourself and who do custom bullets with customs barrels is minute and not people who companies target with their marketing.

    From what I've been reading on other forums is that the 'average' guy likes what he sees with the Paramount Pro and the abilty to have a commercially available bullet with a high BC, flat trajectory that can hit a target at 400 yds. They are even willing to pay the exorbitant price to shoot their x10 loads before going out hunting.

    Even though they probably will never shot a deer beyond 100 yds HaHa..
    Last edited by MikePal; January 27th, 2020 at 12:31 PM.
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