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    Definitely something he will have to answer for.

    My question would be.
    680 homes. That’s 2 for every day of the year. A good audit, let’s say takes 2 weeks or 80 man hours.

    54,400 man hours.

    There’s 1,880 man hours available per inspector, per year (47 weeks ( 52-vacay-stat)).

    We need roughly 5,000 inspectors. If we want each LTC to under go a 2 week audit, once per year.

    5,000 inspectors, at say $70,000 is 350,000,000,. Now add a 25% premium for average PS benefits. $420,000,000

    Shall we take that from COs? Isn’t saving the planet..

    RNs? Crap, don’t we need about 30,000 more. Will we also not want about the same number of PSWs? Surgical mask or N95s?
    ventilators and beds?

    Take it from ministry of education? Boards?


    The very people ending up in LTCs....?

    what about Hydro rates, gangs and guns?

    People need to stop blaming or focusing on Ford. Whatever he’s done, it’s just the latest and smallest.

    This atrocity (let’s call it what it is) spans decades.
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    Good read.

    “ Like others, the former executive said there have been years of warnings about systemic problems in long-term care and retirement homes, about the impact of staff shortages and about lack of response to issues that should have been addressed by governments earlier.”

    https://nationalpost.com/news/local-...box=1590685569

    So....
    where were those who claim to champion the less fortunate.....

    where were all those who are “howling” today.....

    where was the electorate. Because ultimately, as with any issue, politicians want votes...if the electorate screams loud enough, like today....
    Last edited by JBen; May 28th, 2020 at 05:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by line052 View Post
    My wife is a Director Of Care at private facility (Free from COVID), they started weeks before isolation procedures, the government run facilities has always been behind about 3 weeks of private industry.
    All they need is 1 person to come in sick or be asymptomatic and not clean properly and it will be through that home in no time flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    Definitely something he will have to answer for.

    My question would be.
    680 homes. That’s 2 for every day of the year. A good audit, let’s say takes 2 weeks or 80 man hours.

    54,400 man hours.

    There’s 1,880 man hours available per inspector, per year (47 weeks ( 52-vacay-stat)).

    We need roughly 5,000 inspectors. If we want each LTC to under go a 2 week audit, once per year.
    I must be missing something in your math as my take is 54,400/1880 = roughly 29 inspectors.

    Regardless of staffing you are bang on that this will cost a fortune. Reminds me of Walkerton. Decades of apathy by government from all parties and eventually the stars align and innocent people die.

    The fallout from that was in the 10s of billions. I own a company that operates, designs and builds water treatment and wastewater treatment plants. Pre Walkerton we never had an inspection ever plus there were no hard operational standards - only objectives. Since Walkerton our municipal plants get 3 audits per year. A compliance audit, a conformance audit and an internal audit. One in three compliance audits on average is suprise as well with no notice. Additionally all our facilities have been accredited through an ISO type of certification.

    It will take something like the O'Connor inquiry after Walkerton to figure this out and move forward.
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    It seems too much focus is being placed on Government and their negligence with lackadaisical inspections. As stated here earlier this has been going on for a lot more governments than just the Ford crowd. I think the emphasis on blame should be put on the money grubbing owners of these facilities and maybe even a bit of jail time might be what it takes to get their attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    It seems too much focus is being placed on Government and their negligence with lackadaisical inspections. As stated here earlier this has been going on for a lot more governments than just the Ford crowd. I think the emphasis on blame should be put on the money grubbing owners of these facilities and maybe even a bit of jail time might be what it takes to get their attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    It seems too much focus is being placed on Government and their negligence with lackadaisical inspections. As stated here earlier this has been going on for a lot more governments than just the Ford crowd. I think the emphasis on blame should be put on the money grubbing owners of these facilities and maybe even a bit of jail time might be what it takes to get their attention.
    Absolutely there should be jail time.
    Problem is money grubbers will keep grubbing unless caught and held to account. Only way to catch them is to impose rules/regulations that are enforced by inspectors/ provincial officers. Even if they jail the worst offenders in the latest debacle, share holders will force a return to business as usual unless there is meaningful on going enforcement of rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Species8472 View Post
    Absolutely there should be jail time.
    Problem is money grubbers will keep grubbing unless caught and held to account. Only way to catch them is to impose rules/regulations that are enforced by inspectors/ provincial officers. Even if they jail the worst offenders in the latest debacle, share holders will force a return to business as usual unless there is meaningful on going enforcement of rules.
    Exactly.
    Without inspections and consequences nothing will improve.




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    There will be an inquiry. Many will make large daily billing income from it. It will be part of the next election campaigns and politically opportunistic promises will be made to get elected. They will blame Doug Ford for a system created by someone else, years ago. Nobody is going to jail. Jail is for poor people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrym View Post
    There will be an inquiry. Many will make large daily billing income from it. It will be part of the next election campaigns and politically opportunistic promises will be made to get elected. They will blame Doug Ford for a system created by someone else, years ago. Nobody is going to jail. Jail is for poor people.
    And the commoner (unknown). Most people with a title and money seem to be untouchable. Rich and titled people rarely go to jail or pay personally for their crimes.
    They will use our money and the media to make it all better in the short term. There really needs to be a forcible/accountable long term solution.
    They should be charged and thrown in jail !!!!
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