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    Sorry but it is really really hard to beat the savage 220. That shotgun is more accurate than most rifles and you do not have to clean it like a ML. We can argue all day about this but these are the facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonura View Post
    Sorry but it is really really hard to beat the savage 220. That shotgun is more accurate than most rifles and you do not have to clean it like a ML. We can argue all day about this but these are the facts...
    Not necessarily the reason to take something out to hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonura View Post
    Sorry but it is really really hard to beat the savage 220. That shotgun is more accurate than most rifles and you do not have to clean it like a ML. We can argue all day about this but these are the facts...
    I like the 220’s. I’ve lost count of how many I’ve owned. You will notice different poi as you shoot factory rounds.
    With an ml you control each load. Find the right load and every time you shoot you will have same result.

    Yes the cleaning is a pain so go smokeless and that goes away.
    BH209 also works well.
    Both guns are great. It’s just preference really.

    Both give great confidence in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    I like the 220’s. I’ve lost count of how many I’ve owned. You will notice different poi as you shoot factory rounds.
    With an ml you control each load. Find the right load and every time you shoot you will have same result.

    Yes the cleaning is a pain so go smokeless and that goes away.
    BH209 also works well.
    Both guns are great. It’s just preference really.

    Both give great confidence in the woods.
    Going smokeless essentially means a custom rifle now, due to all the idiots loading BP volumes of smokeless and blowing up their rifles

    Has anyone even suggested making a mass produced smokeless muzzle loader again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Going smokeless essentially means a custom rifle now, due to all the idiots loading BP volumes of smokeless and blowing up their rifles

    Has anyone even suggested making a mass produced smokeless muzzle loader again?
    There isn’t enough demand.

    Savages last run was only 6000 ML rifles. That line was converted and pumps out 80,000 center fire rifles per year.

    It isn’t financially viable for any mass manufacturer.

    Custom smokeless prefit barrels have never been easier to purchase.

    Just need a donor action and any half competent gunny can head space the breach plug.

    For a total of about $2000 you have a great rig that will outperform any slugger ever made accuracy wise.

    It really is just deciding which you prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    There isn’t enough demand.

    Savages last run was only 6000 ML rifles. That line was converted and pumps out 80,000 center fire rifles per year.

    It isn’t financially viable for any mass manufacturer.

    Custom smokeless prefit barrels have never been easier to purchase.

    Just need a donor action and any half competent gunny can head space the breach plug.

    For a total of about $2000 you have a great rig that will outperform any slugger ever made accuracy wise.

    It really is just deciding which you prefer.
    Why is Traditions now looking to make smokeless guns? It is because stupid people blew themselves and their guns up.

    They make single shot rifles that fit the G3 muzzle loader, it is the same receiver, so why can they not make a smokeless gun? The demand may not be there for Savage but Traditions has partnered with Federal and Hodgdon to make a powder cartridge to load, that sure was not a cheap initiative.

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    Well I put my shotgun away the last 3yrs and used my custom smokeless muzzle loader I was lucky enough to harvest a small 8 pointer at 75 yrds this year both would have done the job the shotgun and the muzzle loader but I perfere my muzzle loader

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