Cleaning muzzle loader

[Monster29/66]

That's my overall opinion too. I have actually gone backwards as my addiction to black powder shooting increased. I went from the substitute powders (T7) with in-line .50 cal MLs, to a .45 side lock patch and ball .45 Kentucky using Pyrodex too what I'm shooting now ..an old musket cap .58 Musketoon using Goex 2FF powder...the dirty of the dirtiest. LOL.

I thoroughly enjoy the cleaning process, I don't look at it like a chore but rather an integral part of the experience in shooting Black Powder guns.

Doing something fun with my thumbs other than operating a game console...LOL...

I got my ball and patch ready to roll this year and the goex FFF... havent had time last couple years to use it with the new farm... but im taking a deer with it this year wearing my beaver fur hat and hopefuly in the snow...i like the tradition of it... it adds bit of excitement when you pull the trigger and dont always know if its going to fire lol

[Big Jack]

this thread was about cleaning muzzloaders which someone chirped wasnt necessary with a smokeless after several replied they thought it defeats the purpose of muzzle loading i said the same and pointed out increased muzzle velocities leads to safety issues in heavily populated southern areas. I still have that opinion.. and yes i know 270 and under are stil permitted south of seven for coyotes and other small game as theirs less people in the woods.

I know this well as ive hunted yotes for a long time...ran hounds for them and have a TC Icon in 270... do i use it for coyotes when running hounds with other hunters. NO we stick to 22 mags or shot guns and keep shots close as its a fast paced hunt where hunters and yotes are on the move and difficult to be aware of all people / hunters around me.

My 270 is for sotting in clear cuts in the north where people and hunters are less frequent.

MNR knew with so many deer hunters in the woods in southern ontario, pushing bushes etc use of high powered rifles issues would arise, let alone the perception of what none hunters think hearing the crack of rifles beside their house.

If you dont believe hunters running around taking longer range shots in southern ontario is a safety issue ask Stan Jonathon how it worked for him and Peter Kosid, bottom line the further away shots are taken with calibers toting increased velocities accidents happen.

There was no personal attack on you, but since you spend so much time bragging about your new long range gun, you built ( or had built for you ) and your free hand hay maker shots you felt the need to stroke your own frail ego.

Do the world a favor and accept not everyones going to agree with your self serving point of view and that maybe if you did you could spend less time polishing your ego and polishing the inside of your bore.

Listen bud, I spend a lot of time practicing and shooting. I post what I learn for the benefit of the community. I posted what I had built and how I had it built so that others could do the same if they chose to. Overall a I try and assist the folks on here whenever, however I can. I plan on continuing working loads down from max to see where the real sweet spot is and that takes time and patience but I will post results on here just as always.

I also share success and failure both, but hey maybe you missed that. Ego has nothing to do with it. Am I proud of making a good shot here and there, yes I am. Nothing wrong with that but I'll also tell you when I miss a deer at 50 yards.

You make all kinds of personal comments of which the last ones got deleted. My response to you also got deleted which is unfortunate because it shows a lot about your character.

If you consider a 300 yard gun a long range outfit, you are sadly mistaken and I feel sorry for you.

45 cal projectiles don't fly like a 270. You claiming they are akin is ridiculous. 300 yards is that guns ethical limit in my eyes. At 500 yards that bullet is 7' below zero.

My regular off the shelf savage held 1.5 inch groups at 200 yards. At 300 it wasn't consistent enough for my liking. So I changed up and got a very accurate rig. A second one is being built. By the way either one can be used in either US or Canada in any state. I can use black powder if I choose and it is 45 cal. So I guess a rig that passes everyone's standard is somehow a massive danger to every other hunter in the bush.

I stand by my comments. I could care less if you agree just don't like it when folks hide behind boulders and throw rocks. Also don't like you passing your opinion as fact and taking pot shots at others in the process.

By the way that 22 mag is one of the worst guns for ricochets unless you use frangiblle ammo. Ignorance to low velocity projectiles and their tendency to ricochet could cost you or someone else dearly one day.

Ill add one other thing, I'm done with you and commenting on your posts.

In hindsight, I usually avoid troll posts and I probably just should have ignored you.

[fratri]

I like bigjacks posts..... they are real and are of interest.
I certainly didn't find him to be spitting out dangerous information... I found it to be the opposite.....but like I said before,

if you look for a flaw, you tend to find one...so stop looking... For those not sure what that means...its simple...... you can look for the negative or you can look for the positive in any situation or statement, you have the power to decide.... Myself, I like looking for the positive because being negative sucks....

[Monster29/66]

Read back on your posts and read mine.. my post is based on safety and discharge of 300 yards in high density rural areas, long shots in southern ont as most farms 100 acres or less.... dimensioned 2087ft on 4 sides or 695 yards. A 300 yard shot from center of property is near someone elses property line.. if theres a richochet from a 300 grain bullet does it fragment into dust or does the bullet stop on someone elses side of the fence ?

There is lot of young hunters on here looking for advice, as an experienced shooter are you sending a good message about how to build a custom MZ capable of shooting maximum ranges at game ? Sorry bud your hunting ethics and firearm safety arent how i mentor young hunters nor how i was mentored. Read the story of Stan Jonthan its all right there the longer you shoot the more difficult it is to verify whats past where your shooting.

At my neighbours range 300 yards is not a long shot with the 270 or 6.5. BUT with a safe back stop.

dont worry we make safe shots with the 22s, if theres risk just let the race roll, were not desperate ive got 4 yotes this fall and winters not here yet, nice to let the dogs enjoy the chase or get em bayed.. or watch a deer walk at 250 yards and wait for a better shot.

[Mount Sweetness]

Seems like an influx of back and forth arguements lately

[MikePal]

Seems like an influx of back and forth arguements lately

Post season Hangovers...

[Gregoire1960]

Love my 10MLII. If I wanted to do lots of mopping I'd clean the kitchen floor. To each his own, but those who've never owned or shot one shouldn't spread falsehoods. My 2 cents....

[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

Love my 10MLII. If I wanted to do lots of mopping I'd clean the kitchen floor. To each his own, but those who've never owned or shot one shouldn't spread falsehoods. My 2 cents....

LOL

My buddy just bought a new to him Savage 10ML ii from a forum member here. Its a SS model with laminate stock. What an amazing gun it is. He is extremely happy with it & cant get over the fact that he doesnt need to swab between shots & no smoke when he shoots...lol

[Road]

I'm sure the old breach loader didn't use computers and drive cars lol

[Monster29/66]

facts are friend of mine whos a collector has a savage.. ive shot it and a lot of other firearms and know exactly what its capable of.

fact savage requires minimal cleaning, to each their own takes me 20 minutes to clean the omega 30 minutes for the hawken with time to dru, no mess on shop floor given its 1/2 hr to clean, gut wash deer its a good time for a scotch after.

heres a fact finding mission for you factual folks phone MNR and ask them why rifles were banned for the southern ontario deer hunt then show them the facts on the ballistics of the savage....

sorry folks just the facts not someones biased because they have one.

back to cleaning water, soap works but dont forget every few cleaning to use a cleaner that will disolve or eat the burnt plastic in your bore lans from
the sabot...