Used 4X4 trucks up in price

[Splaker]

Wife's 4runner is over 12 years old looks great, runs great and the dealer keeps asking if she wants to trade it in. Just don't buy the limited. The limited is the worst package option for "ANY" toyota model.

What exactly is the problem with the Limited? That was the one we were considering..

[Snowwalker]

What exactly is the problem with the Limited? That was the one we were considering..

The price differance is not worth it in my option when you only get a couple extras. Extras that will turn out to a PIA later. "Auto leveling" rear suspension.....air lines break, not compatible with any aftermarket parts. Rear shocks are expensive....only used on limited with the air shocks in the rear. All wheel drive...YUP full time 4wheel all the time. Uses three diffs. One front 7.5"one rear 8". And a center diff. No transfer case. You can get a limited with selectable 4wd but you still have the rear air suspension .

[MikePal]

I still may end up with an SUV like a 4Runner or maybe an Explorer

That's what we settled on , back to back 4 Runners when the kids were young. They took us thru years of hockey, miles and miles commuting 160km a day for work etc. Never had major problems. Both had 400+K on them when we finally got rid of them and the kids became a non-issue for transportation...then I bought myself a CMC Sierra. I've had three of them and again no major bills, very reliable.

[Splaker]

The price differance is not worth it in my option when you only get a couple extras. Extras that will turn out to a PIA later. "Auto leveling" rear suspension.....air lines break, not compatible with any aftermarket parts. Rear shocks are expensive....only used on limited with the air shocks in the rear. All wheel drive...YUP full time 4wheel all the time. Uses three diffs. One front 7.5"one rear 8". And a center diff. No transfer case. You can get a limited with selectable 4wd but you still have the rear air suspension .

Wow, that's one complicated truck! I didn't realize that there was that much of a diff... I thought it was the same truck with some leather and other superficial goodies...

the reason why we like the Limited is b/c we'd like a 7-seater... which is why the Explorer is on the list. I've just heard spotty things about Fords... Reliability isn't always the best. Because I buy used (always have) I tend to stick with safer bets. I've heard the GMC/Chevy (Tahoe could be an option) is pretty bulletproof... and of course Toyota.

Has anyone see the new Nissan Armada? Basically an Infiniti.. looks pretty cool though.

[Snowwalker]

Wow, that's one complicated truck! I didn't realize that there was that much of a diff... I thought it was the same truck with some leather and other superficial goodies...
the reason why we like the Limited is b/c we'd like a 7-seater..

If you get a limited with the selectable 4wd then the rear suspension is the only thing you need to keep an eye on. We tow so that put an extra strain on the air lines and shocks. With no aftermarket systems that could "beef up" the suspension the air shocks and air lines have to handle the extra weight. Our 4runner has a lower/raise option and if you don't cycle it a couple times a month the linkage can seize up. If it seizes up bad enough you have to replace parts..

As for seating 7..My tacoma seats five and my wife's 4runner only seats 5. You maybe thinking of the Sequoia. It seats 7 and comes in standard, limited, and platinum package options.

At first glance it looks like a 4runner, but is more like a Cadillac. If it so much as touched a dirt road you would cry...At just under 72 grand for the platinum package I think I would be scared to take it out of the climate controled showroom.

[Splaker]

No the limited offers 7 seats...

[COLOR=#373D45]"SR5 and Limited [COLOR=#373D45]7-Passenger[COLOR=#373D45] models add 50/50 split-folding 3rd row seats."

Scroll down a little and you'll see the 7 seat configuration on the link below...

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehi...eatures-design

[LowbanksArcher]

Interesting. My 2015 Ram Quadcab 4wd 5.7 Hemi averages 12/100. It will drop down below 10/100 on the highway cruising at 110. Has 108,000 kms on it now and just had the brakes checked and they are no where near ready to be replaced. No issues or failures yet. Our company between Canada and the USA runs over 200 Rams and the fleet manager has no intention of switching.

That's impressive. You're definitely in the top 5% of Hemi owners with those kind of numbers(per fuelly.com) and exceeding the EPA ratings.

[Splaker]

If people just drove the speed limit they'd actually realize excellent fuel economy... but a lot of poeple seem set on driving 125KM/H and then complain about mileage...

[Bluebulldog]

If people just drove the speed limit they'd actually realize excellent fuel economy... but a lot of poeple seem set on driving 125KM/H and then complain about mileage...

Very true.

My fuel economy on my Frontier is great on highway driving, but its the smaller highways where I average 95km/h. I can usually get it to hover just over the 10L/100 mark. Once I hit a 400 series, and start averaging 120, it climbs closer to whats being reported by LBA above.

[delmer]

If people just drove the speed limit they'd actually realize excellent fuel economy... but a lot of poeple seem set on driving 125KM/H and then complain about mileage...

I've got a GMC Sierra with 60k on it running the 5.3L with AFM. My sweet spot for best economy is around 110-115 kph. If I drive the secondary roads at 90 kph, my mileage is reduced. This engine/tranny combo seems optimized for highway speeds. I went on a 650km trip this summer without a trailer or load in the back, with 75% of the driving on highways, and averaged 10.8 L/100, which I didn't think was bad at all.