Looking for a hunter with a small male setter

[krakadawn]

"Father knows best where the bird is, not where he thinks he is" With all due respect I totally disagree with that statement. If that was the case, what's the use of having a dog. I'm from a different school and believe that the dog should take you to the birds not the other way around.

I understand from a handler running a bird dog why you would disagree. Putting this comment in context is about sending a retriever to find a bird.....a blind if you will. That was how it was intended, it's actually a saying fairly common on the trial circuit.

I am not taking anything away from their natural ability to find a bird(nose,range,etc) but rather to focus on their ability to trust and take directions enroute to a known destination. One of the important skills retrievers must have. If you ever attended a retriever trial you would understand the intended context.

This is not about old school approach or not.

[sidelock]

Ah, ok.

[Big Gunner]

Welsh "[COLOR=#333333]Remember, the only thing two dog trainers can agree on is what a third trainer is doing wrong. "


Very well said, LOLOL That's awesome

I have experienced this first had with people trying to help me with the training of my guy. I appreciate the help but for a new guy like me it sends my head spinning with people telling me one thing then someone else telling me to do the opposite of what I was just told, and I have little experience with training so I'm just lost.
lolololol

[vom Dufenshmirtz]

U pick a proven program and u stick with it until you know enough to make your own calls

[welsh]

Why is it concerning ??? Two different breeding program approaches no different than the UK Lab and the North American Lab. Same animal different approach,philosophy ,criteria to a breeding program.

What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

[krakadawn]

What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

Totally agree with your statement.

The other thread I started has had 99 views and not a single person claiming hyperkinesis with any evidence/diagnosis.

Nicking a dog continually with an e collar would say wonders about your training!

[Cass]

What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

You said this much better than I.