Where's the moose you say??

[jaycee]

I should direct my questions to those that make decisions in Toronto, a person who likely does not even hunt?
Shouldn't all of us?
Why would you, Jaycee, tell me to do exactly what you have tried in the past, knowing it does not work?
Hasn't the history of these talks proven to be nothing more than hot wind being blown up everybodys backside?
....but yeah....let's try some more of that cuz we can't even unite amongst ourselves to approach "the other side" without holding daddys hand. We can't do a thing without our leaders....even though we are both large groups of people....we just gotta hold that hand. The hand that withdraws when the going gets tough. Yup....that's the way to get 'er done.
Sounds like we should just walk away from the table, even here, on the forum. Just throw our hands in the air and not try to glean some bit of new knowledge or TRY to understand something from a different perspective.
Members are getting riled up because a person has questions, is being open minded, is not pointing their finger in the direction that you would like (or any direction, for that matter) and trying to learn?
Guess I should not be asking questions about hunting on a hunting forum.
Guess the OP should never have started the thread either.
I should not try to be open minded...better to come out with blazing sarcasm and call everyone a d$ck or a jerk or any of the other names and labels I've seen used on on this forum....cuz THAT does not rile people up and certainly promotes an environment of learning and open discussion.
While scouting today, I came to the conclusion that this moose thing doesn't directly affect my rights.
I don't hunt moose.
I'm not even going to think about it anymore cuz it's a DEAD issue.
I'm gonna sit back and wait to see who wins the finger pointing contest when the killing is done.
While you are busy pointing the finger at each other and saying the government should intervene to save a species that BOTH sides know is being pushed to the brink of extinction in certain areas....keep at it.....you are truly making a difference.
You can both blame the government in the end.
JAYCEE...the word "you" in this post is not specifically yourself. I hear where you are coming from...just not sure of the "tone."
Anyway....leave it to me to be the one standing there, holding the matches, when the firetrucks show up.
That's a "wrap."

We have all been involved at one time or another , through surveys , questions and giving advice and more, if that is not showing unity, ? and belonging to the different involved organizations to show this unity , I don't know what you expect.

Try writing them from a different perspective, new/young hunter/huntress finding big game stocks depleting and nothing to hunt.

No one is walking away from the table , what do you think that the O.F.A,H.have doing since their inception, sitting on their hands? they have been fighting to get this straightened out for many years on our behalf.There are also many small clubs that are involving themselves in this issue, along with Outfitters who depend on the game being there for their lively hood.

You say it doesn't affect you, as you don't hunt moose , moose is not the only game affected,
a friend of mine , not too far away approached 7 hunters [FN's] on his land that were driving deer out of season , he was told to eff off as they can hunt where they want and whenever, another friend saw lights after dark along the edge of his bush, again this time 6 [FN's] were shooting roosted turkeys out of season , he also was told to eff off as his barn might burn down.
To add insult to injury the next morning he found 11 turkey heads all neatly piled up where he found these guys the night before.

So it does really affect you and all of us , because it is not just moose that are involved.

No one is suggesting throwing hands up in the air , you can find all kinds of information on this and many subjects closely related by using the " search feature " on this forum, there you will find many posts from way back that will keep you reading for some time and at the same time "glean knowledge and get an understanding from a different perspective"

[exgunner]

Wow I would not have been able to contain myself thrust into that possitio

[Noseyarentcha]

Thanks for the advice Jaycee, but I've seen enough already.
I heard you LOUD AND CLEAR the first time.
I said, "It's a wrap."
Quit pulling me if you don't want to be pushed.
If I want to ask questions.
I will.
I will not go and sit in the corner, by myself and flip through pages of old posts and be quiet about it when I do not find the answer to something.
You think I should type the word, "moose" into the forum search bar when looking for answers?
I suggest you try a thing before telling me to do a thing, that, clearly does not work very efficiently.
I did my own research last night thanks to a member who gave me a good link to another site....thus the shift in thought pattern while scouting this morning.
If you think I don't do any research, I do. Sometimes it's just good to talk with others and get more info.
If I want to know something about a thread topic, I can and I WILL, ask the question on this forum.
Right now I do not have any desire to pursue this issue and the matter is dead.
You said my questions just rile the members up.
If you want me to be quiet, I will...when you quit quoting me.
The time to put this to bed is right now.
Before I get riled up

[BurlyGirl]

Thanks for the advice Jaycee, but I've seen enough already.
I heard you LOUD AND CLEAR the first time.
I said, "It's a wrap."
Quit pulling me if you don't want to be pushed.
If I want to ask questions.
I will.
I will not go and sit in the corner, by myself and flip through pages of old posts and be quiet about it when I do not find the answer to something.
You think I should type the word, "moose" into the forum search bar when looking for answers?
I suggest you try a thing before telling me to do a thing, that, clearly does not work very efficiently.
I did my own research last night thanks to a member who gave me a good link to another site....thus the shift in thought pattern while scouting this morning.
If you think I don't do any research, I do. Sometimes it's just good to talk with others and get more info.
If I want to know something about a thread topic, I can and I WILL, ask the question on this forum.
Right now I do not have any desire to pursue this issue and the matter is dead.
You said my questions just rile the members up.
If you want me to be quiet, I will...when you quit quoting me.
The time to put this to bed is right now.
Before I get riled up

You know, I'm a little confused.....when you first started posting on this topic, you claimed you were asking questions, you were open-minded and wanted us to all have a discussion. It appears that when the vast majority of forum members didn't chime in, holding virtual hands, singing to give peace a chance, you got frustrated. You got frustrated with forum members who you are new to. Your next couple of posts came off with a different tone, one that sounded cranky and defensive. With all possible due respect, there was no reason to get your back up. Keep reading, keep digging, info is out there. The forum members have had this discussion many times, and this was pointed out to you. Awesome that you want to be part of the discussion in present day, as everyone should have an opportunity to learn more. But at work when I ask a question and someone tells me where to find the answers, I don't lash out -- I go read the resources and expand my knowledge base, and I also know where to find the answer for next time if I want to revisit the info. It's the whole, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life". Letting you know how to find the info, essentially teaching you to fish on this site for the info you're clearly passionate about, is someone's way of enabling you to arm yourself with all the valuable insight that came before you and I. Similarly, if someone has mentioned that this topic has been covered previously on the forum, I've gone and had a look (done my legwork/research) and read what the valuable members of this forum have voiced. The info is all there at my fingertips. I don't expect the forum members to type and retype opinions and information that they may have just posted a week, a month, or a year ago. That info is probably still valid and reliable. Also, chances are someone on the forum may have seen a question and thought, "Oh, not this again....we had an extensive discussion about this exact topic last January" and that member, who may be sitting on valuable insight, may choose not to post the exact same info again. And then who loses? Me perhaps, as well as other members who might be interested in hearing it. But if someone lets me know there is another thread (or ten) on the exact topic I want to discuss? Awesome, I'll go find that! This happens quite frequently on the dog portion of this forum. The topics of food, force fetch, introduction to gun shots, etc are regular topics. I know a few of the regular posters in the dog forum personally, and they have a ton of info. If I know Scott or Jim gave some amazing info on the topic at hand three months ago, I see nothing wrong in mentioning the topic has been discussed and some great info can be found in the older post. The original poster started the thread looking for info, I'm happy to point them in the right direction to find some good stuff without expecting Scott or Jim to repeat themselves and break their fingers typing when they don't have to. Being told the info exists on here already isn't an insult or someone giving you the brush-off -- you said you want the info, they made it faster for you to find it. You say you read and do your own research, that's great. Perhaps another member on this forum doesn't, perhaps they didn't know another thread on the topic existed, perhaps they didn't know the search feature existed. Now, if you don't want to go sit quietly in the corner and read (your words), that's your call -- but I'll be the first to tell you that learning can be supported by reading valuable info by those who came before me (as I stare at a pile of text books on my shelves that were too full of good info to rehome once university was over). If you feel the search feature isn't exhibiting clean and clear functionality, that's a topic to message an administrator on this site over.

Further, having someone suggest that you get involved and write letters to the powers that be isn't something I would take offense to. If I was passionate about a change I want to see in the world, I would do my due dilligence -- I'd write letters and encourage those that are like-minded to write letters as well. If the letters stop, the powers that be will assume that *problem* is no longer important to people and they'll move on to other subjects. If the problem never goes away, if the letters never stop, if the names change but the problem remains the same, then they can't claim they thought the issue either resolved itself or died. They need to know, and the antiquated method of letter writing will, in my opinion, never go out of style. Isn't that what we're doing here? Getting a feel for what matters to us? If you feel that strongly about it, talking about it on a forum won't get you anywhere but 'riled up'. Action speaks louder than words, so while it may only be a letter arriving on someone's desk, it's a piece of the big picture being addressed. Get out there and be passionate, take all that energy, put it on paper, and get it in front of those who make the laws. They need to see new faces and names so they know it isn't only the 'Old Guard' who feels a certain way.

[Noseyarentcha]

You know, I'm a little confused.....when you first started posting on this topic, you claimed you were asking questions, you were open-minded and wanted us to all have a discussion. It appears that when the vast majority of forum members didn't chime in, holding virtual hands, singing to give peace a chance, you got frustrated. You got frustrated with forum members who you are new to. Your next couple of posts came off with a different tone, one that sounded cranky and defensive. With all possible due respect, there was no reason to get your back up. Keep reading, keep digging, info is out there. The forum members have had this discussion many times, and this was pointed out to you. Awesome that you want to be part of the discussion in present day, as everyone should have an opportunity to learn more. But at work when I ask a question and someone tells me where to find the answers, I don't lash out -- I go read the resources and expand my knowledge base, and I also know where to find the answer for next time if I want to revisit the info. It's the whole, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life". Letting you know how to find the info, essentially teaching you to fish on this site for the info you're clearly passionate about, is someone's way of enabling you to arm yourself with all the valuable insight that came before you and I. Similarly, if someone has mentioned that this topic has been covered previously on the forum, I've gone and had a look (done my legwork/research) and read what the valuable members of this forum have voiced. The info is all there at my fingertips. I don't expect the forum members to type and retype opinions and information that they may have just posted a week, a month, or a year ago. That info is probably still valid and reliable. Also, chances are someone on the forum may have seen a question and thought, "Oh, not this again....we had an extensive discussion about this exact topic last January" and that member, who may be sitting on valuable insight, may choose not to post the exact same info again. And then who loses? Me perhaps, as well as other members who might be interested in hearing it. But if someone lets me know there is another thread (or ten) on the exact topic I want to discuss? Awesome, I'll go find that! This happens quite frequently on the dog portion of this forum. The topics of food, force fetch, introduction to gun shots, etc are regular topics. I know a few of the regular posters in the dog forum personally, and they have a ton of info. If I know Scott or Jim gave some amazing info on the topic at hand three months ago, I see nothing wrong in mentioning the topic has been discussed and some great info can be found in the older post. The original poster started the thread looking for info, I'm happy to point them in the right direction to find some good stuff without expecting Scott or Jim to repeat themselves and break their fingers typing when they don't have to. Being told the info exists on here already isn't an insult or someone giving you the brush-off -- you said you want the info, they made it faster for you to find it. You say you read and do your own research, that's great. Perhaps another member on this forum doesn't, perhaps they didn't know another thread on the topic existed, perhaps they didn't know the search feature existed. Now, if you don't want to go sit quietly in the corner and read (your words), that's your call -- but I'll be the first to tell you that learning can be supported by reading valuable info by those who came before me (as I stare at a pile of text books on my shelves that were too full of good info to rehome once university was over). If you feel the search feature isn't exhibiting clean and clear functionality, that's a topic to message an administrator on this site over.

Further, having someone suggest that you get involved and write letters to the powers that be isn't something I would take offense to. If I was passionate about a change I want to see in the world, I would do my due dilligence -- I'd write letters and encourage those that are like-minded to write letters as well. If the letters stop, the powers that be will assume that *problem* is no longer important to people and they'll move on to other subjects. If the problem never goes away, if the letters never stop, if the names change but the problem remains the same, then they can't claim they thought the issue either resolved itself or died. They need to know, and the antiquated method of letter writing will, in my opinion, never go out of style. Isn't that what we're doing here? Getting a feel for what matters to us? If you feel that strongly about it, talking about it on a forum won't get you anywhere but 'riled up'. Action speaks louder than words, so while it may only be a letter arriving on someone's desk, it's a piece of the big picture being addressed. Get out there and be passionate, take all that energy, put it on paper, and get it in front of those who make the laws. They need to see new faces and names so they know it isn't only the 'Old Guard' who feels a certain way.

Hi Burlygurl
Thanks for the late addition to the thread.
In an effort to "not continue the argument", I am going to do exactly what I said was going to do about this thread topic.
Nothing....including reading about it anymore.
It's a dead issue to me and I would rather spend my time learning about species that I actively hunt.
Heading out to hunt coyotes in an hour.
Wish me luck

[BurlyGirl]

Okay, so this thread alone, 13 pages of discussion, multiple members weighing in....none of us plan on writing the powers that be to remind them there is a problem and the govt should be stepping in and doing something about it? I hear this when talking about the current government (whichever party it is at the time)...you have the power to make your voice heard and to have a hand in putting a party in power... Get out and vote. If you don't vote, then why complain about the current elected party? I feel the same applies here. This is clearly a topic many of us feel should be addressed. Make your voice heard -- send a letter to govt and let them know this is still a problem that needs attention.

[redd foxx]

Why isn't there a transparent count on the numbers FN harvest so we can accurately gauge what is going on?
Does ANYBODY have that number?

Nobody has an accurate count of what the non-native takes either, let alone road kill, predations, starvation, etc.

[skull]

Okay, so this thread alone, 13 pages of discussion, multiple members weighing in....none of us plan on writing the powers that be to remind them there is a problem and the govt should be stepping in and doing something about it? I hear this when talking about the current government (whichever party it is at the time)...you have the power to make your voice heard and to have a hand in putting a party in power... Get out and vote. If you don't vote, then why complain about the current elected party? I feel the same applies here. This is clearly a topic many of us feel should be addressed. Make your voice heard -- send a letter to govt and let them know this is still a problem that needs attention.

How many members does the OFAH have?
Are they the ones that are supposed to represent all Ontario hunters?
What are they doing about this issue and all the other issues?
The FN is going to do what they want, when they want, how they want it done and no one can do anything about it because it is their land.

[myot]

seen a trailer with 2 bulls on it driving across Manitoulin Island on Thursday evening
take a guess who was driving the truck

Dan

[Foxx]

seen a trailer with 2 bulls on it driving across Manitoulin Island on Thursday evening
take a guess who was driving the truck

Dan

Were the MNR conveniently looking the other way?