Quality Deer Management Association

[werner.reiche]

I think people need to consider other people's reasons for hunting especially in view of the different stages of a persons hunting life cycle.
http://1source.basspro.com/index.php...ch-one-are-you

I know myself I've been through a couple of these but I've also noticed how I've been progressing through them.

People looking to practice qdma are likely not in the first two groups but instead fall in the last 3. I see a lot of people assuming that people who try to make improvements to their properties fall into the trophy hunter category. I'm not a qdma guy per se but I started putting a radish plot so the wildlife didn't have scrounge as much during the winter. Does it help me hunt? Not really because there are so many other food sources during hunting season. Does it help the wildlife? Sure does.

Very good point.
I spend far more time making my bushlot more suitable for wildlife than I do hunting.
I get a lot of satisfaction from trail cam pics and seeing deer, bear and turkey's around.

[Bigbear]

I treat QDMA like I treat religion - take what is good from it and ignore the parts you're not happy with.

[Noseyarentcha]

Bigbear your signature is one of the best I've seen yet....paints an especially nice picture in my head
Lol.
Priceless!
You just gave me an idea for a new thread and you got my vote.

[trimmer21]

I treat QDMA like I treat religion - take what is good from it and ignore the parts you're not happy with.

.....and keep an eye on 'em.......like a hawk.

[MikePal]

I know I bowed out of this thread a while back, but a member seems to be insistent that I was being dishonest, so lets clear that up shall we..

The background;

You have to keep in mind that the QDMA program originated down south, in fenced 'farms' with captive deer that where groomed nutritionally to produce huge trophy racks.

I guess I should have clarified...the cull practices and feeding programs used to develop trophy racks were developed at game farms in the US....a lot of the same principles have been adopted by the QDMA or similar programs.

Clarifying my statement doesn’t seem to have satisfied Gregoire, who continues to insist that I was dishonest in stating that QDMA practices have their roots in captive deer practices.

Dishonesty includes a deliberate misstatement of the facts. You stated in the QDMA thread "You have to keep in mind that the QDMA program originated down south, in fenced 'farms' with captive deer that where groomed nutritionally to produce huge trophy racks." This is patently false, 2 seconds of googling proves it.

The facts;

QDMA back in it’s infancy in 1997 appointed Brian Murphy as their CEO :

So who is Brian Murphy, from his Bio…:

Brian P. Murphy is the Chief Executive Officer of the Quality Deer Management Association (QDMA), a position he has held since 1997. He is also a wildlife biologist with a B.S. degree in Range and Wildlife Management from Texas Tech University and a M.S. degree in Wildlife Biology from the University of Georgia.”

But what QDMA fails to fully disclose in his bio, is where Brian Murphy got his background with deer management;

“Following graduation, Brian worked as a Wildlife Research Coordinator for the University of Georgia where he coordinated all deer research at the deer breeding facility.”

It’s at this facility in Georgia, a fenced captive game farm, that Mr. Murphy obtained his knowledge about ‘Quality Deer Management”. And that knowledge, as I have stated, is at the roots in what is now being practiced by the QDMA.

Lets hope that puts that to rest..I was neither “incredibly misinformed”, nor did I post a “misstatement”.

Just because you don't know the facts, doesn't mean I'm “dishonest” for posting them.

edit add: If you want to see a sampling what goes on at the University of Georgia research facility. here's a link

http://http://www.ugadeerresearch.or...ceptibility-2/

[werner.reiche]

Not sure about the deer farms - but QDMA's early growth was in states which traditionally had buck only harvests and huge deer populations made up of mostly does and fawns (Michigan and Pennsylvania come to mind, but there are many others). To some extent in Michigan and to an extreme in Pennsylvania, hunters have become used to shooting does and fawns and the deer populations are more balanced. Both states now have some antler restrictions on bucks. Ontario never had this problem.

So while I do support QDMA's habitat improvement ideas, I can't support antler restrictions, and I wouldn't even think of buying their overpriced seeds and mineral supplements.

[benjhind]

So while I do support QDMA's habitat improvement ideas, I can't support antler restrictions, and I wouldn't even think of buying their overpriced seeds and mineral supplements.

QDMA is not a seed and mineral company. It is a hunting advocacy organization like Delta Waterfowl or OFAH.

They don't sell mineral, so I'm not sure how you think their mineral is overpriced, since it doesn't exist. Here is an article they wrote about the known facts regarding mineral supplements and deer:

https://www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/

Don’t expect to see trophy bucks walking around this fall just because you gave them a mineral boost this spring. While the advantages of mineral supplementation have not been clearly documented, neither have any disadvantages.

Yes, you can buy a $25 bag of "Bio Logic" brand seed through their US website, but you likely can't import it due to the Seeds Act. Again, their purpose is education and advocacy, not peddling products.

[benjhind]

It’s at this facility in Georgia, a fenced captive game farm, that Mr. Murphy obtained his knowledge about ‘Quality Deer Management”. And that knowledge, as I have stated, is at the roots in what is now being practiced by the QDMA.

Several of QDMA's employees have been deer researchers in the past. Yes, researchers often rely on captive animals to do their work.

When I see the phrase "game farm", I think of a high-fence hunting operation, not a research facility. High fence game farms are something the QDMA has advocated against long and hard, so associating the two is where I originally took issue with your post.

[werner.reiche]

QDMA is not a seed and mineral company. It is a hunting advocacy organization like Delta Waterfowl or OFAH.

They don't sell mineral, so I'm not sure how you think their mineral is overpriced, since it doesn't exist. Here is an article they wrote about the known facts regarding mineral supplements and deer:

https://www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/



Yes, you can buy a $25 bag of "Bio Logic" brand seed through their US website, but you likely can't import it due to the Seeds Act. Again, their purpose is education and advocacy, not peddling products.

There are many QDMA organisations selling outside of QDMA.com. Example below.

"The newly formed,, West Central Michigan branch of the QDMA, has a working agreement with "Grandpa Ted's Products, LLC", to sell their products as a fund raiser for the branch. All products are priced below srp, through the branch.

They have 2 types of mineral, apple or anise scented. I have not used these yet, but other board members have, and they are very pleased with the stuff. They come in 10lbs containers, and we can sell them for $10.00 each.

The seed blends listed are packed/priced at 1lbs.
Hunters plot: mix of annuals & perennials $5.00
35% New Zeeland clover, 35% Ladino clover, 15% Alfalfa, 7% Small Burnet and 8% forage rape. 1lbs/1000 sq ft 40lbs/acre

Bucks and Beards: perennials $4.00
30% New Zeeland clover, 30% Ladino clover, 20% Alfalfa, 10% perennial Rye grass, 10% Orchard grass. 1lbs/1000sq ft 30lbs/acre

Big Buck Buffet: annuals $2.50
45% Dwarf Sorghum, 35% Proso Millet, 10% Buck Wheat, 10% Black Oil Sunflowers. 1lbs/2000sq ft 50lbs/acre

Other seeds or blends are available, just ask.

If anyone is interested, shoot me a pm, or call (616) 772-6245."

[werner.reiche]

Then we have QDMA partners like trophyrock http://www.trophyrock.com/partners/