MNRF STill Squeezing Us For Pennies

[Noseyarentcha]

Fishermccan is a strong believer that only wealthy or well off people should be allowed to hunt.

I did not single any one member out, nor use a name in my post.
However, if my statements apply, I sincerely hope I provoked a moment of self reflection.

[blasted_saber]

Card has not been free while I have been buying it (13 years).

[DUXX]

22 Yeats ago when I worked for the mnr. And spent time on the moose draw and outdoors card project. The card cost 6 bucks, regardless of you bought a license or not. Previous renewals included the card as the fee was redundant with the renewal.

[bush24]

2 generations ago, some of my Family hunted/fished for their main source of meats. They lived in rural Northern Ontario, severe weather left them near home so moose in the freezer was needed. Regulations were reasonable and simple, a big game licence was for a big game animal. Good for a combination of animals (bear/moose), no antler less vs antlered deer. A moose and head were paraded through small towns to celebrate the harvest and no one complained. Fees were low and seeing the strict "game warden" (who was known by name) was commonplace.

Today? Its hard to legally keep a rainbow trout without the "catch and release" crowd giving me the evil eye, I respectfully cover my deer in my box trailer, annually pay $100+ in licence fees/tags.

[JBen]

Not long ago,
~much was made of the SPA
~How money is being spent
~How the SPA is providing more and more of the MNRFs funding. Currently around 3/4s.

Some thought the stakeholders group in SW Ontario had "a case", some didn't.

When we consider all that is
Expected from the MNRF
Asked from the MNRF
Currently a "problem" be it lack of COs, be it Moose, be it Asian Carp, be it Coyotes, WTs, Walleye, Pike, Emerald Ash, Cormorants, various invasive plants, stocking programs and hatcheries, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on......

The province could double or triple the fees for everything and the SPA still wouldn't come close to adequately funding the MNRF.
How much do some think 60mm or 180mm (if they tripled everything) buys these days
?

Which is why taking them to task for "misspent" pennies is important.
If anyone thinks the SPA can carry the MNR even they tripled the fee's, well I would like some of what is being smoked and drank.

[Gun Nut]

9.68/3=3.2$/year
So two large coffes..... Big deal!

As I see it:
If we are having an environmental crisis owing to climate change exacerbated by human activity, a cap and trade system is not liable to do much to alleviated the problem. It’s population numbers putting demands on the production of goods and services that increase the levels of human activity which ends up generating green house gas. As population numbers climb so does the generation of green house gas activities. So that should suggest the need for something more than a bandage solution like cap and trade.
Cap and trade policy are focused on ground level polluter, ground level generated carbon emissions find there was into carbon sinks in a relatively short time, they only have to fall through a few hundred short feet, even when spued from the highest industrial chimney. On the other hand, the other day with bad weather 4000 flights were canceled, any idea of what level of carbon emissions that amount of air traffic is leaving in the skies over head. Leaving it to find its way into a carbon sink some 30,000 feet below, and how long the descent is likely to take. So that should suggest a need for set some type of carbon emission levels on that industry right now, and not waiting to 2020. Its would seem since it’s all happening high overhead, that it's not capturing much public attention, so let's not go there for awhile.
Now about the $ 9.68/3= $ 3.23/year - So two large coffees..... Big deal! With $9.68 and looking for sales you can pick up about 1 kg of coffee and brew several cups of it. Coffee at one point was 10 cents a cup at a coffee bar, I suspect it still works out to that if you don’t haunt coffee bars, and make it home. Call me frugal but I find the coffee you drink a bit too strong, and I’m one who enjoys a good cup of coffee with a bit of a bitter edge to it.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[fishermccann]

Fishermccan is a strong believer that only wealthy or well off people should be allowed to hunt.

Please do not assume to know what I believe. I think that the fee we pay for an outdoors card and the various tags are a great deal. Not many hobbies give you as much bang for the buck, ( pun intended). Three years of small game for the price of one day at a ski hill, or a couple of rounds of golf sounds reasonable to me. Lets face it, if it was about the money by the time you harvest your wild game it would have been much less expensive to buy it.

[greatwhite]

I don't ski or golf and many other don't as well. I realize it is difficult for you to grasp but there are people who are low income and yes they find the extra few dollars hurts. The fact you do not see that shows how disconnected you are from the real world.

Please do not assume to know what I believe. I think that the fee we pay for an outdoors card and the various tags are a great deal. Not many hobbies give you as much bang for the buck, ( pun intended). Three years of small game for the price of one day at a ski hill, or a couple of rounds of golf sounds reasonable to me. Lets face it, if it was about the money by the time you harvest your wild game it would have been much less expensive to buy it.

[fishermccann]

The real poor do not hunt, they cannot afford it. Yes hunting is for those with disposable income, and time. GW twice in your last post you questioned my intellect, please stop it. Moderators is that enough warning?

[glen]

Let those that can't afford to hunt eat cake.