Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

[fratri]

I would like to know how close the stats are between gun deaths and knives. If I go too Toronto with a pocket knife in my pocket how long before he wants to register it ? Tory tried to shaft the citizens of the Kawartha Lakes but we saw through him, unfortunately the residents of Toronto didn't.

Year to Date Homicides	2013	2014	2015	2016	Percent Change	Absolute Change
	Stabbing	14	15	18	8	-55.6%	-10
	Shooting	22	27	26	39	50.0%	13

https://www.torontopolice.on.ca/stat.../ytd_stats.php

[trimmer21]

It's hard to know what that dumb fkcu is saying. Obviously,he's parroting Mark Saunders and toeing the Liberal line which isn't difficult to understand seeing as how he's lobbying both Wynne for road tolls and Trudeau for federal funding for transit at the same time. I would dearly love to see a comprehensive break down of how many and where those so-called "domestic" firearms are being allegedly stolen. From what I can see,99% of firearms used in street crime are sourced from the US through FN reserves that straddle the border where there's little to no enforcement against smuggling everything from tobacco to drugs to stolen firearms. Handguns in private hands in Canada are registered to their owners,so,wouldn't it necessarily follow that Police would know instantly where the stolen guns came from? If that's not the case,then,a handgun registry is useless,right? Well,isn't it?

[terrym]

It's hard to know what that dumb fkcu is saying. Obviously,he's parroting Mark Saunders and toeing the Liberal line which isn't difficult to understand seeing as how he's lobbying both Wynne for road tolls and Trudeau for federal funding for transit at the same time. I would dearly love to see a comprehensive break down of how many and where those so-called "domestic" firearms are being allegedly stolen. From what I can see,99% of firearms used in street crime are sourced from the US through FN reserves that straddle the border where there's little to no enforcement against smuggling everything from tobacco to drugs to stolen firearms. Handguns in private hands in Canada are registered to their owners,so,wouldn't it necessarily follow that Police would know instantly where the stolen guns came from? If that's not the case,then,a handgun registry is useless,right? Well,isn't it?

don't be bringing in common sense into this.......

[ryandir]

Here's another article about this:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...egulation.html

I'm with everyone and that I don't agree with politicians being involved in gun control but I don't see the problem with police organizations having access to certain information that might put up a red flag like that U of T student who purchased 23 handguns in 22 months and was selling them to the black market. That's crazy.

[terrym]

Here's another article about this:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...egulation.html

I'm with everyone and that I don't agree with politicians being involved in gun control but I don't see the problem with police organizations having access to certain information that might put up a red flag like that U of T student who purchased 23 handguns in 22 months and was selling them to the black market. That's crazy.

yes that seems crazy but obtaining an RPAL is completely controlled by the police and every purchase is registered wether bought new or privately from another owner. At what point do we start questioning the quality of police work here?

[JBen]

As I said.

It's always easier to blame everything else rather than look internally.
If theres been a spike in gang related shootings or street crime.
If more guns are being smuggled into the city.

Of coarse its easier to go crawling to the feds begging for more gun controls, than it is to ask hard questions of the TPS who get millions to combat "guns and gangs" and apparently things are getting worse??????

It also looks better in the press, as it gives the appearance of "doing something" and distracts away from the public looking at the city.

[ninepointer]

Year to Date Homicides	2013	2014	2015	2016	Percent Change	Absolute Change
	Stabbing	14	15	18	8	-55.6%	-10
	Shooting	22	27	26	39	50.0%	13

https://www.torontopolice.on.ca/stat.../ytd_stats.php

I'm pretty sure if those stats looked at the last 20 years and were weighted for population growth (e.g. homicides per capita), they would tell a different story.

[skypilot]

yes that seems crazy but obtaining an RPAL is completely controlled by the police and every purchase is registered wether bought new or privately from another owner. At what point do we start questioning the quality of police work here?

Exactly. Plus what a academic dumbazz to have an RPAL and strawman purchase handguns for resale to criminals with his name still attached to them.

And what an outstanding job the restricted registry did in preventing THIS handgun crime..........

[Gilroy]

It's hard to know what that dumb fkcu is saying. Obviously,he's parroting Mark Saunders and toeing the Liberal line which isn't difficult to understand seeing as how he's lobbying both Wynne for road tolls and Trudeau for federal funding for transit at the same time. I would dearly love to see a comprehensive break down of how many and where those so-called "domestic" firearms are being allegedly stolen. From what I can see,99% of firearms used in street crime are sourced from the US through FN reserves that straddle the border where there's little to no enforcement against smuggling everything from tobacco to drugs to stolen firearms. Handguns in private hands in Canada are registered to their owners,so,wouldn't it necessarily follow that Police would know instantly where the stolen guns came from? If that's not the case,then,a handgun registry is useless,right? Well,isn't it?

I actually read about this in the GTA section of today,s Toronto Star but put up this link as info.But from the Star article we have the following " Last month, the STAR revealed how four different men in the GTA used their valid firearms license to each purchase numerous handguns and diverted them to the black market. LOL (strange choice of words for the STAR).

They included a University of Toronto student who bought 23 handguns during a 22 month period, including 15 from one store. All were convicted and sent to prison for firearms trafficking.

A Toronto police briefing note prepared for city staff warned that serious "gaps" have turned domestic firearms trafficking into a "very real problem in Canada" and put some of the blame on the RCMP, the agency that administers the Canadian Firearms Program me.

In a draft copy of Tory,s letter to Goodale obtained by the STAR ,Tory writes he finds it troubling that "certain licensed gun owners are able to amass small arsenals of handguns and that there are no red flags despite these purchases being on the Canadian Firearms Registry.

" I was shocked to learn that there is no limit on the number of firearms any one licensed gun owner can purchase and possess", the letter states. This "obvious gap" needs to be addressed, as legally purchased Canadian guns are turning up in criminal investigations with greater frequency, Tory writes.

The letter also adds that Tory has learned criminals are also arming themselves with domestically sold LONG GUNS, including rifles and shotguns.

The Coalition for Gun Control blames relaxed licensing and legislation under the Tories for eroding strict controls that previously limited access to certain firearms.In the past five years, the number of handguns owned by Canadians jumped 50%, climbing to 795,854 from just under 532,000 in 2011. (someone failed maths)

The federal Liberals promised during last year,s election campaign to strengthen some of the country,s gun laws.

[SpriteMcBain]

I get where he's coming from to some degree....The 50% he's talking about is if i have a bunch of guns (restricted and non) and someone finds out and they decide to break into my house and take them and they end up in the street illegally and in a crime.

It happens, i had a buddy who had a bunch of guns, he was a responsible hunter an active range member. But some criminal who probably has a range membership found out and his place was broken into. Nothing was stolen except his entire safe that had the guns in it. Not his laptop he had on his table, none of his fishing gear. These people knew what they wanted and came prepared. They did it while he was at work too so they probably even monitored his habits.

They will most likely end up in a crime in the GTA.

Blanket rules aren't the answer though, those criminals will always find a way...