Garmin Astro/Alpha/ Update from Industry Canada

[Jnyiri]

Let's assume Garmin makes the required changes. If I buy the unit which is approved in Canada can I use it in the US?

[Snowwalker]

Let's assume Garmin makes the required changes. If I buy the unit which is approved in Canada can I use it in the US?

There is the dig. If Garmin makes changes so that it gets approved for use in Canada..It now also has to go and have that unit approved for use in the US. If garmin can put the "new" model of Frequencies that it has permissions to use on both sides of the border having it approved in the us is just a rubber stamp.
If they have to use freq's for the Canadian model that are not allowed in the states then no.

With the collars already using GPS navigation and positioning systems, I can see a collar that automatically selects US or CDN frequencies being a very possible option if the collar had to use two different bands.

[Snowwalker]

It sounds like Snowwalker is a dog collar detective

Not really

But I do some times feel like I am trying to explain why you can't put a out fire in the coal stove by turning on a gas light..

Look it up. When gas lights were first being put in homes, some people had strange ideas.. They believed that the gas light used up all the oxygen in the room and put out the burning coal in the stoves. When it is dark or dim in the room the coal burns and gives off a nice warm glow. But if you turn on the gas light then the coal stops burning, and we know this because the nice warm glow from the fire stops.

The repeatered phrase.."I don't know of anyone that got charged" seems to be some peoples main arguement. If a life guard told you the beach was closed because a shark was seen, but you never saw anyone get attacked would you still go swimming? You may swim there for years and never see an attack. Thing is people understand what a shark can do.. People that don't deal with Industry Canada and the Federal Communications Commission ( FCC in the US) as part of their daily life don't understand what the two agency can do.

[Noseyarentcha]

If a life guard told you the beach was closed because a shark was seen, but you never saw anyone get attacked would you still go swimming?

Of couse not!
I would send the fat lady in to check the waters.
If she sang...well then it's over.
What's wrong with you Snow?
Are encouraging our members to disobey the lifeguards and go swim with the sharks?
My gawd man....you certainly know how to frighten the audience!

[Snowwalker]

What's wrong with you Snow?
Are encouraging our members to disobey the lifeguards and go swim with the sharks?
My gawd man....you certainly know how to frighten the audience!

Thats a big tourist thing in some places...some times without cages and they feed them...

I have eaten shark...I am in no rush to let one of them return the favor...

[dilly]

Do you understand what Industry Canada is? You believe that you would not be charged for breaking the law?

Why don't you allow yourself to be a test case..? Tell how that goes.

No need to get so upset Snowwalker. I am simply stating my opinion that I don't think an individual would register on any Industry Canada radar. Does Industry Canada have an enforcement section. I could turn myself in for using an FRS radio that transmits over one watt. Would you post my bail?

[ninepointer]

No need to get so upset Snowwalker. I am simply stating my opinion that I don't think an individual would register on any Industry Canada radar. Does Industry Canada have an enforcement section. I could turn myself in for using an FRS radio that transmits over one watt. Would you post my bail?

Dilly, how do you manage to sleep at night?!

[Snowwalker]

No need to get so upset Snowwalker. I am simply stating my opinion that I don't think an individual would register on any Industry Canada radar. Does Industry Canada have an enforcement section. I could turn myself in for using an FRS radio that transmits over one watt. Would you post my bail?

The thing is...The collars like FRS/GMRS/CB/Baby Monitors are designed to use frequencies that industry canada has set aside for them, then they are tested by labs to be sure they meet the standards to be approved. Once they are approved they can be sold to people in canada. Now when you go to buy one of these, you are not asked to apply for or to have a license for it. This is because they fall under a class of devices that are considered licensed by possession. Simple that means if you bought it, you have a license to use it. But if the device was never approved you have no license to operate it.

Every toy, electronic device, car( yup transport canada answers to their boss Industry Canada) or anything that has to meet a safety to technical standard to be used in Canada is over seen by IC or one of it's smaller departments.

[Snowwalker]

Does Industry Canada have an enforcement section. I could turn myself in for using an FRS radio that transmits over one watt. Would you post my bail?

To answer your two questions.
Yes they do....
And NO. They are not going to lock you up. But you are going to get a large fine, which I would suggest you make every effort to pay. The interest rate on fines make CRS rates look like pocket change.

Now a question of my own? Why don't you and your buddies just your Ham licenses? You can use HTs that are way better then a FRS/GMRS radio. Use repeaters so you have radio ranges that can cover 20km not just across one concession. And you could switch the collars to a ham frequency and legal use them in Canada.....Did that get your attention?
So you and I both take a trip to the US and buy collars. Customs knows that they are not approved for use in Canada.....I show my Amatuer Licence and tell them I will be converting it to operate on a ham band, I get to keep it. They ask for your ham license and you don't have one.....do you think you will be going home with your new collar? And by the way saying it is going to be converted to the ham bands does you no good because you can't use it even it is.

One of the privileges of the hobby is experimental convertion of devices and the right to use "NON-APPROVED" devices with the Ham bands.

[dilly]

...Did that get your attention?.

Not really. I find this infinitely boring. I also think your analogies stink.