Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

[JBen]

I think those are called straw men Gilroy.
I don't know a single officer who when responding to a domestic isn't prepared for the worst, for example. And if when later on one of the parties is still blowing gaskets, well many things that come to hand be they baseball bats or knives get the job done to. The one and only (imo) factor that counts/matters is that more people survive when its not a gun.

heres one thats not straw man. LEO have used the registry to break into law abiding citizens homes, stomp all over their rights and confiscate them...Let alone all the law abiding citizens that have gone bankrupt fighting often trumped up charges.

At the end of the day there is nothing, jack squat that shows it was anything but a colossal waste. Further, not two pages ago was the post that copied the letter to Tory and in it, were studies (peer reviewed) that show it did nothing....................

And at he end of the day.
Our homicide rate per capita is 0.5.
Do we even have a problem
?

If I've asked it and said it once I've said it dozens of times. No issues with GC and anyone that wants to argue GC...Well just look south. I don't want to live in a country where the per capita rate is off the charts. Now its not quite that simple because despite our similarities, we have large differences to. Starting with healthcare, education, poverty and more....Which also play roles and we are more "conscious" about that to.......

Show me an actual problem, lets identify an actual problem.
Show me an actual weakness in our system ( I quite agree with JTs move to beef up efforts on the borders for example.) Thats a real problem and a measure that should address that actual, real problem.
Show me "measures" that address actual weaknesses, or an identified problem.
Then lets talk

[terrym]

When LEO entered a home with illegal non registered guns did the registry make them safer? There is still a PAL system in place that can alert police that a person is licensed to own restricted or non restricted firearms at an address. The registry never saved lives and was just a make work program that swelled the payroll and sucked money from actual law enforcement. Harassing law abiding gun owners does not reduce gun crimes. Harassing illegal gun toting criminals does. Wasting limited and mostly borrowed money on inneffective smoke and mirrors feel good initiatives actually helps criminals.

[Gilroy]

This thinking caused 2 LEO's to be killed in Alberta. The registry said the fella had no gun's to young Cops went in shot and killed.

Could have been that or it could have been they were just young Cops who were not with a good experienced training officer. I was not there and you were not there so how do you know this was a contributory cause?

[Gilroy]

I think those are called straw men Gilroy.
I don't know a single officer who when responding to a domestic isn't prepared for the worst, for example. And if when later on one of the parties is still blowing gaskets, well many things that come to hand be they baseball bats or knives get the job done to. The one and only (imo) factor that counts/matters is that more people survive when its not a gun.

heres one thats not straw man. LEO have used the registry to break into law abiding citizens homes, stomp all over their rights and confiscate them...Let alone all the law abiding citizens that have gone bankrupt fighting often trumped up charges.

At the end of the day there is nothing, jack squat that shows it was anything but a colossal waste. Further, not two pages ago was the post that copied the letter to Tory and in it, were studies (peer reviewed) that show it did nothing....................

And at he end of the day.
Our homicide rate per capita is 0.5.
Do we even have a problem
?

If I've asked it and said it once I've said it dozens of times. No issues with GC and anyone that wants to argue GC...Well just look south. I don't want to live in a country where the per capita rate is off the charts. Now its not quite that simple because despite our similarities, we have large differences to. Starting with healthcare, education, poverty and more....Which also play roles and we are more "conscious" about.......

Show me an actual problem, lets identify an actual problem
Show me an actual weakness in our system ( I can't agree with JTs move to beefed up efforts on the borders)
Show me "measures" that address actual weaknesses, or an identified problem.
Then lets talk

Well JBEN I can only tell you the long gun registry was invaluable to me and those I worked with for some of the reasons I cited.

[Gilroy]

When LEO entered a home with illegal non registered guns did the registry make them safer? There is still a PAL system in place that can alert police that a person is licensed to own restricted or non restricted firearms at an address. The registry never saved lives and was just a make work program that swelled the payroll and sucked money from actual law enforcement. Harassing law abiding gun owners does not reduce gun crimes. Harassing illegal gun toting criminals does. Wasting limited and mostly borrowed money on inneffective smoke and mirrors feel good initiatives actually helps criminals.

If you had your life on the line and the registry made your life some what safer would you not want to keep it. Is more information about potential threats to an officer of value, I think it is bearing in mind I come at this topic from that frame of mind.

[greatwhite]

As well Gilroy and as you yourself are well aware of and the Liberals willingly admitted. The original intention of the registry was to eventually confiscate firearms.

[terrym]

And I have personal friends still working in law enforcement that disagree. The registry was so messed up it wasn't even dependable. At one point they sent me a registration card 3 times for a gun I had sold and registered/transfered to the new owner. How many others like this were out there?

[JBen]

Gilroy, there is nothing, read that again, nothing that shows it made you or johny Q, or battered Susie Q

any safer.

I as well Terry. Most of the cops I know likewise thought it was a waste.
Curious Gilroy as we both walked the same streets at night. How did the registry make you any safer in RP?

[terrym]

If you had your life on the line and the registry made your life some what safer would you not want to keep it. Is more information about potential threats to an officer of value, I think it is bearing in mind I come at this topic from that frame of mind.

Of course "good" information is valuable. The registry was never about making your job safer. Your training and having as many boots on the ground did that. An army of poorly trained government paper pushers in Miramichi was only about retaining Maritime liberal seats. The money wasted on the registry meant less money for your training and less officers. Why do you think they didn't locate it in Fort McMurray or Swift Current Sask?

[greatwhite]

In no way did it make your life safer.
If it did tell us how.

If you had your life on the line and the registry made your life some what safer would you not want to keep it. Is more information about potential threats to an officer of value, I think it is bearing in mind I come at this topic from that frame of mind.