Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

[Gilroy]

Nope.

CBC: "These guns, while acquired legally, are increasingly turning up in criminal investigations, according to the Tory. [sic]"

Star: "This “obvious gap” needs to be addressed as legally purchased Canadian guns are turning up in criminal investigations with greater frequency, Tory writes."

If you believe that these quotes mean Tory said "Gang guns are locally sourced," then you just failed a functional literacy test.

Thanks for being on here are keeping the debates focused on facts.The worse thing the gun lobby does is shoot itself in the foot when they become as emotional as the anti gun lobby.

[Gilroy]

I'm having a rough time wrapping my head around that 50% of guns used in violent crime were stolen from lawful owners in Canada. With the very low level of lawful handgun ownership in this country,that defies all logic. For that to be accurate,every firearm owner would be under siege in our homes. I'm not buying into that for one second.

Well being the investigative type I just simply googled "Stolen guns from homes in Ontario" and up went the pages.

OMG OMG Its the Liberals they have been feeding the illegal gun market.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/15...-senators-home

OMG Its getting worse its the OPP supplying the guns

http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/09/14/...ves-thrown-out

[welsh]

Judges should not be politically appointed.

You mean maybe we could have a process where qualified people apply to be judges, making that application to, say, an independent advisory committee, and that maybe that committee would then interview the best candidates and send a list of the very best candidates to the AG, who is then legally bound to appoint judges from that list?

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/jaac/

I do agree politics and judicial appointments should never mix. And the process is still open to abuse, as the AG still gets discretion (and the committee itself has politics). But we do make an effort to separate the two.

[welsh]

I'm having a rough time wrapping my head around that 50% of guns used in violent crime were stolen from lawful owners in Canada. With the very low level of lawful handgun ownership in this country,that defies all logic.

The level of violent crime is even lower. The number of lawful gun owners in this country is far greater than the number of violent criminals.

Also note that the 50% cited may not involve only guns involved in violent crime. A gun recovered in a drug bust is included regardless of whether the guy they busted has ever committed any act of violence.

[trimmer21]

Well being the investigative type I just simply googled "Stolen guns from homes in Ontario" and up went the pages.

OMG OMG Its the Liberals they have been feeding the illegal gun market.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/15...-senators-home

OMG Its getting worse its the OPP supplying the guns

http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/09/14/...ves-thrown-out

I remember that incident. Good on Ottawa Police for scooping the lot. Like Durham Regional,they have an excellent clearance rate for this type of crime which further bolsters my theory that there's not as many "domestic" guns entering the black market as politicians would have us believe.

[Gilroy]

I remember that incident. Good on Ottawa Police for scooping the lot. Like Durham Regional,they have an excellent clearance rate for this type of crime which further bolsters my theory that there's not as many "domestic" guns entering the black market as politicians would have us believe.

Maybe a read here will help: https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...afficking.html

When Chief FANTINO was in charge in Toronto he basically fired all the qualified local firearms officers.People with experience who could interview and even ferret out a possible "straw purchaser". We now have a situation where as the article states we have Telephone Detectives who simply calls and decide,s on that basis if an applicant for a PAL in genuine.You reap what you sow.

[fishermccann]

Nope.

CBC: "These guns, while acquired legally, are increasingly turning up in criminal investigations, according to the Tory. [sic]"

Star: "This “obvious gap” needs to be addressed as legally purchased Canadian guns are turning up in criminal investigations with greater frequency, Tory writes."

If you believe that these quotes mean Tory said "Gang guns are locally sourced," then you just failed a functional literacy test.

LOL, Welsh.

[skypilot]

If Criminals have guns per the news reports ( gee where did they get their stats?)and per others, 50% are claimed to be smuggled in and some papers report about 20% are souced locally thru theft(golly gee whiz who gave them those numbers?)then yes it's follows that criminals have locally sourced guns. Gangs are criminals so gangs would have guns that were locally sourced.

No matter. The point remains there are plenty of existing laws tory just needs his folks to do their jobs enforcing the law and leaving the usual gun owners alone and with less help from Ottawa.

[Gilroy]

"No matter. The point remains there are plenty of existing laws tory just needs his folks to do their jobs enforcing the law and leaving the usual gun owners alone and with less help from Ottawa."

I think because you had LEO experience in the USA you might be inclined to think the same situation exists here for gun numbers.Its really pretty difficult and takes an enormous amount of work to locate illegal guns.The gang bangers in Toronto don,t rat their friends out, that would get you killed, if you can roll somebody search warrants are almost always needed,also not easy to get.Big City policing is completely different from other places and the bad guys live in big public housing projects,they got the home turf.Especially today,they even got big city mayors who smoke crack with them,here and the USA.

[trimmer21]

"No matter. The point remains there are plenty of existing laws tory just needs his folks to do their jobs enforcing the law and leaving the usual gun owners alone and with less help from Ottawa."

I think because you had LEO experience in the USA you might be inclined to think the same situation exists here for gun numbers.Its really pretty difficult and takes an enormous amount of work to locate illegal guns.The gang bangers in Toronto don,t rat their friends out, that would get you killed, if you can roll somebody search warrants are almost always needed,also not easy to get.Big City policing is completely different from other places and the bad guys live in big public housing projects,they got the home turf.Especially today,they even got big city mayors who smoke crack with them,here and the USA.

HAH! Not "have",Gilroy........"had" and I'm sure was a "one of" not likely to happen,again,anytime soon.