Running Coyotes and Trespassing

[JBen]

Lol for gawds sake Mike, would you stop insulting people. People you don't know. People like the OP...( how you missed the fact you were also insulting the OP) ........people like Ontfarmer, who so eloquently put it...myself
For no other bloody reason than you lack common courtesy?

Question for you.
Were you born and raised on a farm? Maybe you were, your wife? Or did you at some point in your life decide you yourself were tired of being an "Urban Snowflake" and it was time to educate yourself?

Civil communication;
lmao, something your not capable of....

I can only speak for myself, and people I know who have come down on one side of the fence or other. My entire "street" abuts the lake to the East, and farm fields to the west. 40 years ago the "O'Reillys" ( family name/farmers) sold a piece of land they didn't farm abutting the lake. No-one has problems with hunting. They don't care at all, about the rolling thunder at 6:30 am that occurs every day once Waterfowl season opens, nor the blinds 105 yards away, nor all the hunting in the fields for geese either ( Or Turkey) . They don't care at all if guys hang their deer in plain view (as I did), they aren't phased in the slightest by the sight of guns.

Most don't care for the Yotes, or bear that occasionally enter back yards, walk down the street.

Would care if a handful of domestic dogs ended up chasing a pack of Yotes through. Would care about errant shots, their children, their own dogs.....And oddly enough no-one cares about fences, or squabbling over 6 inches of property line, once we get to know each many "freely" traverse back yards, beers hands. Though virtually everyone that owns a dog has an invisible fence ( to keep their dogs in). Who do you think will hear about it, if dogs (or Coyotes being chased) start tearing through...Oh, that's right. The O'Reillys whom have a great relationship with everyone on the street and has for 40 years............

I drive around the concessions here and the OFAH signs in front of farms, and others? Still lots of them. Yet oddly, no evidence of that I've seen or heard of dogs running Coyotes. Do hear single shots which seems to indicate some hunters hunt them,......

"Around here, we welcome these gangs"
"Who would ever have words with them, for not getting permission first"

It does sound like you condone it Mike.......

But as Ontfarmer and others have tried to politely say. It's not your call, and "if" someone doesn't want it, respect the fact thats their call. Doesn't mean they are uneducated urban snowflakes............and the fact is (at least round here) those "Urban Snowflakes" you speak of, are the vast, vast minority....

"What gives"

[JBen]

oh and btw Mike. My neighbour the urban snowflake, who retired from GM 15 years ago, doesn't hunt, has never hunted. Sure does love the Goose breast and Venison I've offered and given.

Hates Yotes as much as the next person. Has told me, to shoot them (and yes they do enter our back yards), he won't say boo if I unload from my deck......(not that I would). They are in the fields behind us all the time (along with the cows)...

"Point" being.
There might be many reasons why one person would be ok with it, and the next not. Only way to find out is.

ASK FIRST!

[Gilroy]

oh and btw Mike. My neighbour the urban snowflake, who retired from GM 15 years ago, doesn't hunt, has never hunted. Sure does love the Goose breast and Venison I've offered and given.

Hates Yotes as much as the next person. Has told me, to shoot them (and yes they do enter our back yards), he won't say boo if I unload from my deck......(not that I would). They are in the fields behind us all the time (along with the cows)...

"Point" being.
There might be many reasons why one person would be ok with it, and the next not. Only way to find out is.

ASK FIRST!

Excellent reply posts and very well put.I have a neighbor up at the camp who has paying guests from Tennessee and who come up every fall to run their highly trained hounds on bear.Now even although he has pissed me of running deer with his own hounds in the past because of the way,s he goes about it,I have always given him permission to come onto my land if his guests have a bear running.I do this partly because I would not want to screw up his livelihood and I know taking out bears is good for my deer hunting.

[Gilroy]

I don't think anyone posted about "loaded firearms in vehicles" unless I missed something.

Yeh I did in my post #33 as part of a list of charges that could be laid when confronted by trespassers.I have been on a few of these hunts down by Newtonville ,years ago with an established gang.I can say they were all pretty well local farmers and all family related,as a guest I kept my trap shut and followed instructions.Anyway the hunts were a lot of fun,no problems with police or MNR. Although they have had some problems in the past,apparently trespassing on Farley Mowat,s land.LOL
This does get pretty exciting and the hunt camp captain I was with who had been hunting for over 50 years got so excited in the hunt he actually forgot where he placed his rifle and in a rush to the next intersecting spot ran over the gun with his pick up truck.Fortunately it was in the snow and it did not suffer any damage.But I also did see that guns were frequently left loaded in the trucks as we raced from on spot to another to get off a shot.This might be more the norm in this type of hunting where guys are rushing to set up a ambush point and don,t want to take the extra few minutes to load and unload.

[bardern]

I know of neighbours who tresspass on other neighbours even when they have agreements in place, deer and coyote hunting, dogs and not.

The fact that people knew each other has nothing to do with it, in the past people talked and had permission to be on other peoples property, now they do not. If you run dogs you are responsible for them, you need to do the proper thing and talk to the neighbours and ask permission. It is one thing for the dog to run on to property that you do not have permission to hunt on, it is an entirely different thing to go on that property to release the dogs or knowingly trespass, as these people have does to the original poster.

Trespassing has always been illegal and I would like to know when keeping a loaded firearm in a vehicle and discharging it from said vehicle on or across the roadway was legal.

all true but like I said things were different back 40-50 years ago. we never asked permission and to a person the farmers didn't care as long as we closed the gates after ourselves. having a loaded gun was never legal but I remember a local opp stopping by and actually taking a shot on a fox running by. T for sure it is a good thing that those rules are enforced now not saying it isn't. my point is that the tradition of running hounds goes back to this time and a lot of yesterdays ethos is still used by some of the guys running dogs.

[MikePal]

all true but like I said things were different back 40-50 years ago. we never asked permission and to a person the farmers didn't care as long as we closed the gates after ourselves. having a loaded gun was never legal but I remember a local opp stopping by and actually taking a shot on a fox running by. T for sure it is a good thing that those rules are enforced now not saying it isn't. my point is that the tradition of running hounds goes back to this time and a lot of yesterdays ethos is still used by some of the guys running dogs.

I guess that’s the rub, back when the farmers and hunters all new each other and agreements were made over a beer at the hotel. There was mutual respect and the use of the property was never abused. There was no need for forms and signatures, just a handshake.

Now with new land owners and new hunters in the area , there is no community bond to keep life as simple. So incidences like the OP describes happen, whether intentional trespass or not. I would like too think it is probably more a case of a lack of communication than wilfully braking the law by the hunters, but who knows.

Still a lot of old Family camps out this way Bardern and the traditions continue as you well know as, your not that far away . It sure is a welcome sight to see the guys filling the back of the pick ups with dead coyotes at the end of the run. Everyone benefits.

[JBen]

There's a lot to be said for tradition. Traditions like

posting duck blinds ( lol lets not) there's enough "hard feelings" about that just amongst hunters.

about old duck blinds, 105 yards from the nearest dwelling to....many don't like that either. Can say on our slice none of the 10 or so houses 100 yards away from 5 or 6 care. A few even wish I was allowed to shoot the hundreds of Geese on the water just off shore from their decks.......they might start minding if some inconsiderate duck hunter starts shooting towards shore, instead of waiting for a better angle...and then we all might lose a good thing/tradition.

further up the lane a guy that owns I think about 5 acres, he runs a dog training/agility school. I suspect he might mind if dogs and Coyotes hell bent on leather to escape start tearing through, or get into it with his clients dogs. I don't know, I'd have to ask him..........

do know I for one am sick of reading about cityiots and red neck country bumpkins. Had about 40 friends up on Saturday. All of them cityiots, some not keen on killing Bambi, but almost everyone loved the Venison chilli I served.

"True Story".
I have a game camera in my "back yard", specifically to help keep an eye on the Coyotes (girlfriend has 2 lap dogs). I caught one of the neighbours in "my backyard" in nothing but a bra and booties at 2am one night in it....now that's wildlife

i don't think of it as "mine", or "theirs" per se. I try to think of it as "ours", and everyone getting along in these changing times

[JBen]

Oh, and before I forget.
Of the 40 "cityiots" in my house on Saturday, only 1 was another hunter. Who is a snowflake to, that just moved to Lindsay.

The bear rug I had no desire to hide before hand incase it offended a few got all kinds of attention and questions. Including "how good does it taste".

A couple "cityiots" actually asked me "what word do you use? Do you really say "harvest".

I answered that the same way I do everything else. Straight forward, no "bs".

No, I kill them, I hunt to kill.
The look on a couple faces was priceless, they were a little taken aback. Guess they aren't used to plain talk. But within seconds they "understood", and went right back to digging into their venison.

i even got permission from one recent transplant to Seagrave to hunt all the rabbits on her 5 acres. And put a mineral luck in next year, knock down some Yotes possibly to. So long as I do the dirty work, clean the rabbits that are oh so yummy.

[MikePal]

JBen…I just got a PM that says you’re having some kind of meltdown and ranted away at me on the thread….that’s hilarious.

I told you back in Aug 2016 I was going to ‘ignore’ you and would no longer read or reply to anything you posted…and I haven’t. Sounds like you haven’t figured it out after 6 months and continue to post stuff for me. Obviously you haven't missed my clever repartee...LOL...

Like I told you back then, I have no interest in anything you have to say, but if it makes you feel better to talk to me in my absentia...well as the Brits say “Keep Calm and Carry On”..LOL…

[Hunter John]

It's official. This thread sucks. IBTL ..Lol