Slap in the face from the mnrf

[JBen]

The ones in Splaker's video thread are identical to the ones we've been shooting as "brush wolves" around here for decades. That whole "algonquin wolf preserve the species" thing is just a crock. Sorry,didn't mean to derail this thread.

I don't know that its "derailing it", it's a natural thing that occurs with any discussion. Be it a discussion on a forum, be it a discussion at a table. Its starts with the main trunk ( the topic) then the sapling grows ( politics vs sound game management) and then branches start shooting off the main trunk ( Bears, coyotes, etc).

All related.

The primary reason for extending protection to Coyotes? And I do recall many heated debates about the state of other prey, be it Whitetails or dwindling small game ( and gee what a surprise here we are months later, changes to small game hunting). ok fine, if Rabbits seem to be a cause of concern, make changes. No big deal.

Flies in the face protecting their predators.

"We are afraid hunters will mistake hybrid mutts for wolves"
Really? not sure how anyone can mistake this, and actual remnant of an "Algonquin wolf"



With "those"

[Snowwalker]

I'm pretty sure they are already here in the southwest. We've shot a few that look exactly like the video.

I would believe you more then an MNRF Biologist. Just saying if you know what I mean.

[Snowwalker]

True.

And the nuisance mourning doves? The cops around here were certainly frustrated with the volume of dove calls.

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You forget the doves like to sit on power and telephone lines.......Right ABOVE the cop cars.

[JBen]

And lastly.
Is there anything out there that supports Sawbills assertion that there are biologist that are against hunting?


Keith Munro, a PhD candidate at Trent University, said the goal of the work is to find a way to live alongside deer.
"Is there a way that we can manage deer by influencing their behaviour as opposed to just controlling their population numbers as we do now?" asked Munro, referring to deer hunts used to cull herds.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...tudy-1.1290464

Why would anyone be surprised that someone who is against hunting might or would be drawn to a career in game management?
What percentage of the biologist are against hunting? Who knows, but its not a stretch at all to assume some are.

[Dythbringer]

True.

And the nuisance mourning doves? The cops around here were certainly frustrated with the volume of dove calls.

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welsh,

I am surprised at you. You are usually better on the ball with your fact checking. Mourning doves are a migratory bird and fall under the federal jurisdiction; not provincial. So the MNRF had nothing to do with bringing in the hunt for mourning doves. The conservatives are the ones who okayed the dove hunt.

Dyth

[welsh]

Federal jurisdiction, but with provincial cooperation.

Only Ontario, Quebec, and BC have mourning dove seasons.

[Dythbringer]

Federal jurisdiction, but with provincial cooperation.

Only Ontario, Quebec, and BC have mourning dove seasons.

But that provincial co-operation is tied to all migratory bird species. The federal government sets the limits and seasons and the province simply enforces them. To my knowledge, the province does not have any power to refuse a migratory bird hunting season (I don't see anything in the Migratory Bird Act or Regulations which give the provinces a power to over-rule the federal government).

[efouge23]

And lastly.
Is there anything out there that supports Sawbills assertion that there are biologist that are against hunting?.

my professors at University who taught me biology (mostly population dynamics) were all in support of hunting as a conservation management tool, and they are primarily the reason I started getting into hunting myself. I hope most biologists are aware (at least here in Guelph they are) that hunters play a key role in conserving wild game species.

[welsh]

Nothing in the law gives the province a veto, but that doesn't mean the feds can force a season on a province where the province doesn't want it. There are agreements between the feds and the provinces outside the law itself. If the feds wanted to force some migratory birds issue against the wishes of a provincial F&G dept, the F&G dept's first answer can be, "Enforce your own regulations," which the feds don't have the resources to do. Somewhere in the byzantine depths of the federal budget, money is transferred to Ontario to enforce the regs for the feds, and this is why the province has a say.

Key point being here, there is really no reason to believe that the MNR is full of antis and is steadily taking away hunting opportunities for that reason. That idea doesn't survive an encounter with the facts.

[sawbill]

We had a bio in Sudbury who was a known anti (not sure where she is now) and one CO who was very vocal about his distaste about hunting and trapping.
Regardless of the dove comment MNR has done very little in providing actual increased hunting opportunities. Lengthening a bear hunt into moose season when the focus is now on the moose hunt or lengthening the moose hunt to a period when most everyone finished with their hunt is nothing more than a chance for MNR to pat their collective backs and say we're giving you what you want.