1 Child or Youth suffers gunshot injury each day in Ontario

[welsh]

... but maybe, just maybe its worth discussing the ease of acquiring and storage surrounding them.

That's one of the key CPS recommendations in the policy position co-authored by Dr. Austin.

Maybe, just maybe, you should read it.

And by the way, I suggested this "change in direction" about three pages back.

[mosquito]

In general you can't trust the media and the libs on firearms to give you the facts and not spin. With the libs joke of an advisory council and material like this only a blind man can't see there are plans in the works. TheRebel is probably one of the few places left where facts and firearms can be found with the liebrals in power.

https://www.therebel.media/calling_b...its_a_bullseye

[greatwhite]

The problem is with an organization like this against us and on the side of the liberals,
We are pretty much defeated. People will believe lies about gun owners before they will believe the gun community.

Don't forget there are many supposed gun owners even on here who voted for the liberals and in affect voted to help ban guns and they did this knowingly and willing
Knowing the liberals will try and ban any guns they can.

In general you can't trust the media and the libs on firearms to give you the facts and not spin. With the libs joke of an advisory council and material like this only a blind man can't see there are plans in the works. TheRebel is probably one of the few places left where facts and firearms can be found with the liebrals in power.

https://www.therebel.media/calling_b...its_a_bullseye

[Gilroy]

The problem is with an organization like this against us and on the side of the liberals,
We are pretty much defeated. People will believe lies about gun owners before they will believe the gun community.

Don't forget there are many supposed gun owners even on here who voted for the liberals and in affect voted to help ban guns and they did this knowingly and willing
Knowing the liberals will try and ban any guns they can.

You are simply projecting your own bias on here with little to no proof of what you are talking about.#1 I hope by now you realize that Liberals vote that way for a whole lot more reasons than gun issues/rights.This is a wedge issue only and was used by Mr Harper to his advantage over two elections.Liberals are voted in
to power for their stance on numerous issues from immigration,social policy,women,s rights,defense. I know you believe firmly that you are in the right and the other "people" are wrong,but surely with Liberals in power both Provincially and Federally this must tell you something.I have all my guns from 30 years ago and more in fact so I don,t have the same paranoia you so often display.

[mosquito]

You are simply projecting your own bias on here with little to no proof of what you are talking about.#1 I hope by now you realize that Liberals vote that way for a whole lot more reasons than gun issues/rights.This is a wedge issue only and was used by Mr Harper to his advantage over two elections.Liberals are voted in
to power for their stance on numerous issues from immigration,social policy,women,s rights,defense. I know you believe firmly that you are in the right and the other "people" are wrong,but surely with Liberals in power both Provincially and Federally this must tell you something.I have all my guns from 30 years ago and more in fact so I don,t have the same paranoia you so often display.

Hmmm.... must be a single shot.

On the other hand .... my Dad's 32 that would be over 100 years old and hadn't been shot in atleast half that ... gone. The magazine for my Ruger 22 .... gone (cheaper to buy a new 10 round). People's AK-47, AR-15, handguns in 25 and 32 calibres, there was a guy that had a Galil for fox hunting ... and I can go on and on. Sadly I doubt the Liebral supporters are listening and the rest already can see the comments by Liberal's like Rock ($2m gun registry that turned in to $2B, "only police should have guns" etc.) , bills like S-223...
Clueless Libs
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/libe...-ban-1.1228904
Clueless Liebs. I love how she substitutes weapon for firearm.... leading and misrepresentation of facts.
http://liberalsenateforum.ca/hansard...-changes-acts/
Lies
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/


When a group demonstrates a hostility toward an inanimate object, declares over and over they want bans etc. (Proposal 151 - Australia model etc.), had unilaterally made changes and laws that had no effect on crime but were if anything punitive efforts aimed at honest Canadians it isn't paranoia. Liebrals seem to like the word paranoia or phobia when the evidence is contrary to their ideology it seems more and more....

When an organization is run by a compulsive lying ideologue and someone says "don't worry" the evidence would suggest ... worry and that isn't paranoia.

How about using some EDUCATION and maybe if we introduced a gun handling and safety classes into schools there would be less accidents and maybe even less crimes .... but that isn't acceptable to the ideologues too I guess.

[Gun Nut]

Interesting study, I hadn't realized there were so many accidental (unintentional) injuries involving kids in Ontario.



Good article, worth the read...

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/one-chi...tudy-1.3341954

I thought I just chime in here, I read the article when it first came out about a month back. I felt it was an insightful and well written, what disturbed me most was the posturing it took with respect that we need more gun control. Guaranteed to put the backs up of any gun enthusiasts. It’s not clear to me how further gun control is liable to improve the situation, but its seems that is the general default, when you can think of anything else to concluded. Living in a head space where the best you can come up with is the repression of an item, is a sure guarantee that it is going to continue to circle about and to bit you in the backside. Clearly from the article, some doctors are taking a more progressive approach in attempting to educate parents on safe storage of firearms, exercising proper safe handling and teaching their children a proper respect for firearms. Regrettably, some broader educational initiatives are not being exercised through the public education system. This should be as much of viable alternative for firearms as it was for sex.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[JBen]

Well written? Yes.
Insightful? Maybe, more research is needed. There really wasn't, nor is there anything that comes as some "shock"
Guaranteed to get backs up? That is what a few here don't understand or want to understand (on this specific topic, or some others relating to "GC"). And instead start ridiculing people (Gun owners) for wearing tin foil hats, or gun cultures. The heart of this bullit is once again "The public trust". It's no different than society having lost all faith in politicians these days, have lost a lot of faith in Law Enforcement, Banking/Wall Street, Seems to be losing faith in science ("global warming", the FDA and big pharma) and sadly physicians................

We see signs of anarchy in the US these days, whether thats race riots, cops being executed, or political rallies and violence/lawlessness. Politically we have the wave of populism and anti establishment that's weeping countries, ( Brexit, Trump, O'Leary running for office here). "The Public Trust" is the be all and end all, and sadly too many still don't understand how important it is, nor the prices paid when it's lost.

But rather than come to grips with this, understand it for what it is. Well just as the Left wing ridiculed Trump supporters last summer/Fall as being Red neck, and uneducated dim witted racist, and not seeing the forest for the trees. Then crying crocodile tears post Trump win, blaming anyone and everyone but themselves..............

This should be as much of viable alternative for firearms as it was for sex.

I was taught how to handle firearms at a young age, I was taught the inherent dangers, and still recall the day my father caught me using Frogs as targets with my pellet gun....But I suppose, that might explain why despite boys being boys, I played with "toys" and not things that could seriously injure someone, or kill them.
Its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

And the only people the Drs have to blame, are themselves for using "garbage", and then worse, publishing, because the reality is, they to are smart enough, or one would hope, that they would have known what the media would do, and what their own hyperbole, grandstanding and rhetoric adding fuel to fan the flame............. Begs questions........

[JBen]

Case in point.

That's one of the key CPS recommendations in the policy position co-authored by Dr. Austin.
Maybe, just maybe, you should read it.

I did, a few times.
Signal for the noise
1) But when you use garbage, you produce garbage. Theres no escaping this. No side stepping this. The data was um........lets be kind and say incomplete...

2) When you fan the flames (various quotes, by the Drs, CPS and CMAJ) They had a lot to say, (referring to both firearms and guns), and further, by lumping it in, with gang violence/guns on top of that, they most certainly did and there is no escaping that.

3) When your less than objective. The data also shows that what we have in place is working.
The number of incidents involving actual firearms (controlled) is low. Acceptably low.
The data also shows that boys don't play "cowboys and Indians" with firearms......or Bows..Not many kids going into ERs with arrow wounds....One could, as MikePal pointed out, take the same data and make very strong arguments, that no more controls are needed...........Of coarse doing so means being objective they would have talked about that to....however that wouldn't suit the narrative, would it?

In anyone's book, including good ole Abner Doubleday's and his game. 3 strikes and your out...
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What it does show, just maybe, is that lost in all noise is a wee little signal.
That it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, and thats all it might show.

They aren't dumb people, and one does in fact suspect they know how to do studies, conduct research, they know that "garbage in=garbage out". They know what the media will do.
etc,
etc
etc

Maybe "you" should read what others "say" because I too keep coming back to the one tiny wee kernel of what might have been a "signal" and have from the beginning. That does not excuse shoddy research, pretty obvious agendas, etc, etc. The two are not mutually exclusive.

"funny all that"

[welsh]

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[JBen]

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