All is Almost Quiet on the Southern Front

[Fox]

Don't confuse morality and religion. One can have some form of morality and no religion, yet one cannot really have religion without morality.

For religious folk, belief and faith is simply a contract to guarantee everlasting life, being moral on its own isn't.

This statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum, and there is a lot of crap that comes out on here.

Based on your statement an Atheist is the most evil person that has ever existed simply due to their lack of religion.

Like I thought, you would not go and read up on the correlation between religions countries and non-religious countries, or racism, as expected.

[fishermccann]

You are born without religion, given one at birth by your parents. Your religion is dependant on where you were born and to whom. It is an accident of birth nothing more nothing less. Those 50 thousand unbaptized children who died of starvation today are going to hell to appease a vengeful god, and YOU are alright with that.

[Fox]

You are born without religion, given one at birth by your parents. Your religion is dependant on where you were born and to whom. It is an accident of birth nothing more nothing less. Those 50 thousand unbaptized children who died of starvation today are going to hell to appease a vengeful god, and YOU are alright with that.

Bingo, you explained the stupidity of it perfectly.

[skypilot]

This statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum, and there is a lot of crap that comes out on here.

Based on your statement an Atheist is the most evil person that has ever existed simply due to their lack of religion.

Like I thought, you would not go and read up on the correlation between religions countries and non-religious countries, or racism, as expected.

Then you need to reread some of the kiddie crap you post Fox.
There can be moral people than aren't believers or religious. Atheist believe in nothing by definition. Evil exist in the heart and ways of man and of this fallen world. Evil can be independent with or in concert with atheism as with anything else.

Prove my previous statement, that you quoted, wrong. Believers have faith in the covenant with God(a contract) that guarantees life after death as taught in the Bible. JUST being good and moral won't get you there. Only the belief and faith in Jesus and living a Christ like life will get you there per the Bible.

Are you seriously trying to tell me you know more about religion, beliefs and faith and how to get there other than through Christ?

[skypilot]

You are born without religion, given one at birth by your parents. Your religion is dependant on where you were born and to whom. It is an accident of birth nothing more nothing less. Those 50 thousand unbaptized children who died of starvation today are going to hell to appease a vengeful god, and YOU are alright with that.

Boy you are worse off and more in the dark than I imagined. Tell me, did your parents make you an atheist at birth?
The innocent go to heaven, they never had a chance to choose God or deny him.

Your kind aborted(murdered 5 million babies in the US alone that never had a chance)yet you whine about capital punishment for the wicked. Are YOU ok with that?

The 50 thousand you mentioned are not God's fault, it's people like you that support socialist regimes and dictators that prey on their people, rob their food and create the poverty. Look at your socialist Venezuela, they are starving. Blame that on God too or the stupidity of lefty lunatics?

So really, what are you mad at God about? Because you obviously believe in Him, you're just mad because you don't understand a fallen world and it's easy to blame Him. You adopt any kids? You feed any monthly with your contributions? Work with homeless teens to try and turn them around. Or just drum on like your buddy Fox?

Religion/choosing God is a choice one makes, it is a personal thing not something your parents give you, it doesn't work that way. Sure, they can provide guidance but even the Bible teaches we all are responsible for or own sins, not another's. Same with Salvation, I couldn't give you religion and salvation and your defiance about it makes you look foolish. If I can't force it on you how do you expect me to believe parents can force Salvation and a free ticket to Heaven on their kids?

[fishermccann]

There is no god! Period......

[skypilot]

There is no god! Period......

Even the devil/satan believes in God, He smarter than you?

[mosquito]

You can really tell they don't want to know about God... God cares but a just God doesn't ignore the sins of many.... and accident of birth .... for some but in the end all have the choice to look ... we see that in Josh McDowell, Alister McGrath, Nabeel Quereshi, Lee Strobel, Peter Hitchens (brother of Christopher), C.S. Lewis etc.

Jonah 4
11 Should I not care about the great city of Nineveh, which has more than 120,000 people who cannot distinguish between their right and their left,

Looking at those two let me ask a few questions and see what their answers are from an atheists point of view....

1) Is there a problem with 50,000 dying of starvation? Why? They don't affect you at all and their death may even be beneficial as there is less competition for resources on the global scale.

2) Assuming that there is a God and they do go to Hell (no Biblical evidence for this) ... once again God is the creator so what is wrong with his decision? What are you basing it on?

Seems to me you like to make absolute statements based on you desires and not the evidence... but there is still hope IF you choose it.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who wishes all men to be saved and [increasingly] to perceive and recognize and discern and know precisely and correctly the [divine] Truth.

Even the devil/satan believes in God, He smarter than you?

Of course he is ..... but like those two his pride is his downfall. I'm not expecting an intelligible answer ... heck I haven't even got the answer to simple questions like who they will vote for.

[skypilot]

You can really tell they don't want to know about God... God cares but a just God doesn't ignore the sins of many.... and accident of birth .... for some but in the end all have the choice to look ... we see that in Josh McDowell, Alister McGrath, Nabeel Quereshi, Lee Strobel, Peter Hitchens (brother of Christopher), C.S. Lewis etc.

Jonah 4
11 Should I not care about the great city of Nineveh, which has more than 120,000 people who cannot distinguish between their right and their left,

Looking at those two let me ask a few questions and see what their answers are from an atheists point of view....

1) Is there a problem with 50,000 dying of starvation? Why? They don't affect you at all and their death may even be beneficial as there is less competition for resources on the global scale.

2) Assuming that there is a God and they do go to Hell (no Biblical evidence for this) ... once again God is the creator so what is wrong with his decision? What are you basing it on?

Seems to me you like to make absolute statements based on you desires and not the evidence... but there is still hope IF you choose it.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who wishes all men to be saved and [increasingly] to perceive and recognize and discern and know precisely and correctly the [divine] Truth.





Of course he is ..... but like those two his pride is his downfall. I'm not expecting an intelligible answer ... heck I haven't even got the answer to simple questions like who they will vote for.

O well, there's always hope....If fox will give me a reading reference RE: that non religious secular societies are more moral I'll read it if he will read the book of James in the Bible.

[fishermccann]

Even the devil/satan believes in God, He smarter than you?

No god, hence no devil. Easy peasy. Why should I care? Because the religious say everything is gods plan, yes even child molestation . Why pray if you can't change 'his', (has to be male?) plan.