Tundra Swan Permits Have Increased

[johny]

[QUOTE=duckslayer;1035756]Your seriously still going on with the identification issues???? What happens when you have a deer in the brush and you only have a buck tag, do you shoot it and find out after what it was??? No you positively identify your target before the shot. Same applies for the swans.........can't tell it's a tundra......YOU DON"T SHOOT!!!! What can't you understand about that??? If we went by your logic a lot of game should not be hunted because someone might not identify it correctly ................ GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!


http://www.trumpeterswansociety.org/...%20IDcolor.pdf

Is there any other way to be sure except for seeing those little patches of colour on the bill?

I'll get to practice identifying very soon.
We have loads of swans nesting wild in the Rainy River district in the last few years.
They often fly over my canoe within "gunning" range as we hunt ducks.
It'll be interesting to see how easy if I can see that detail.

[jaycee]

Your seriously still going on with the identification issues???? What happens when you have a deer in the brush and you only have a buck tag, do you shoot it and find out after what it was??? No you positively identify your target before the shot. Same applies for the swans.........can't tell it's a tundra......YOU DON"T SHOOT!!!! What can't you understand about that??? If we went by your logic a lot of game should not be hunted because someone might not identify it correctly ....

Links to fines for shooting trumpeter swans;
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...beandmail.com&
http://wellingtonadvertiser.com/inde...ail&itmno=6362
https://www.ofah.org/2003/03/o-f-a-h...umpeter-swans/
http://www.toledoblade.com/StevePoll...l-hunters.html

Be very careful as it can be a very expensive mistake.

[Buddy Boy]

Hello Guys,

A few points:

1) Snow Walker made a good point ... not sure of the bird do not shoot.

2) Duck Slayer also made a good point regarding deer hunting.

3) I have not had a problem identifying the three (3) species of swans at Long Point on the water or in the air. Please refer to The Trumpeter Swan Society web site and click on the Identification Brochure that you can print. Could someone post a "J Peg" for the brochure?

4) The state of Nevada has an online Swan Identification course that you can take at no cost. This course is a requirement before you can buy a permit. Please check this out. Can someone post the connection to the course on this thread?

4) A limited Tundra Swan season would permit an incidental harvest of a few Trumpeter Swans in which there would be no penalties or fines. However if you shoot a Trumpeter Swan and you do not have a permit to hunt Tundra Swans you are in deep trouble. The interior Trumpeter Swan population can sustain an incidental harvest of a few birds without a problem as per the CWS Tundra Swan Season Assessment ... please read it.

5) I suspect that those fines that Jaycee referred to were in relation to areas that did not have a Tundra Swan season.

6) A staff member of the waterfowl community told me on no uncertain terms that a wildlife official had told him/her that they are aware that there are hunters who are harvesting Tundra Swans in Ontario so why not have a legal season so that we know what is being harvested. All birds harvested must be recorded.

Hope that helps.

Jerome

PS Duck Slayer ... could you scan and post my Tundra Swan fact sheet and update on this thread for the others to read?

[Matt86]

Where does delta waterfowls Dr. Scott Petrie the organization’s Chief Scientist and Chief Executive Officer feel about a swan hunt?

[Snowwalker]

Links to fines for shooting trumpeter swans;
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...beandmail.com&
http://wellingtonadvertiser.com/inde...ail&itmno=6362
https://www.ofah.org/2003/03/o-f-a-h...umpeter-swans/
http://www.toledoblade.com/StevePoll...l-hunters.html

Be very careful as it can be a very expensive mistake.

Where are the links for shooting wrong deer, duck, Goose, or keeping wrong fish.

How many of those fines were given out to people that shot a swan out of season or where there is no season.

Like I said before any swan I am in shooting range of is normally less the 20 feet. Many times the swan and I are close enough to trade physical blows and insults. With that in mind I think bow hunting them from a kayak would be very exciting.

[jaycee]

Where are the links for shooting wrong deer, duck, Goose, or keeping wrong fish.

How many of those fines were given out to people that shot a swan out of season or where there is no season.

Like I said before any swan I am in shooting range of is normally less the 20 feet. Many times the swan and I are close enough to trade physical blows and insults. With that in mind I think bow hunting them from a kayak would be very exciting.

Just google it, and you will be kept busy reading.

Misidentification , is the biggest problem for many, tell me how can you shoot and kill a man , mistaking him for a bear or a deer -huh???
How can you mistake an elk for a deer the size difference is very appearant , shooting a caribou and thought it was a moose - huh ??, shooting a dog , said they thought it was a coyote , looked nothing like a coyote, and it keeps happening , why ? because there are too many that are just trigger happy, don't read the rules and regulations , shoot while it's too dark to identify, and others do it and will keep it up till they get caught.
This sure puts the hunting community in a very bad light, and just think of the hue and cry from the public when it is posted in newspapers that some "hunters " shot an endangered , protected trumpeter swan .

And there is this one , Huntress shoots a man while hog hunting at night .

[Snowwalker]

Jaycee, you have a burr under your saddle that has nothing to do with the idea of a swan hunt. Maybe you should start a thread about the high numbers of cases of game mistakenly shot because of ( List too long to list) on the part of the hunter. You, I think would be happily surprised at the over whelming agreement from others on the forum.

Your singing the right song, but in the wrong choir.

[jaycee]

Snowwalker found this " just for you, "

Trumpeters and Tundras are similar looking species that are more difficult to identify. Reports from wildlife observers will help biologists monitor the recovery of Trumpeter Swans. Positive identification is essential, as Trumpeters often mix with flocks of the relatively common Tundra Swan throughout their migration and winter range.

Distinguishing Trumpeters from Tundras is not easy, but it is possible by paying close attention to a few distinctive characteristics

From the latest reports that I could find, there are slightly over just 1,000 Trumpeter Swans in Ontario, so why take the chance of killing even just a few accidentally as it has taken the people involved in the restoration project to raise this many [which is not a lot ] , since 1982.
Think about it , 35 years to get the total up to around 1,000 , that' about 28 to 30 per year, to loose a few to accidental miss identification puts a very serious dent in the breeding population .
Yes I have a burr under my saddle as people are working hard to restore these magnificent birds , some very close to where I live, and others want to take a chance and accidentally kill them.

If you want to shoot/kill Tundra Swans , go to where there is an actual legal season for them , the same as I have had to do to hunt Antelope, Elk, Big Horn Sheep and Caribou as none of these animals can be hunted in Ontario even thou there are Caribou in this province.
The person that is pushing for a Tundra Swan season here, obviously has the means to go hunt them where ever they are hunted, as he is willing to put up well over $ 10,000 to $20.000 to establish a season here.
I would not be against this , "if there were no Trumpeter Swans here " but there are and they are mixing with Tundras. Myself , I have absolutely no Inclination to hunt them here, If I should choose to do so, I will travel to where the Tundras can be hunted, I will enjoy the experience along with the change of scenery.

[Rodbender]

Where are the links for shooting wrong deer, duck, Goose, or keeping wrong fish.

How many of those fines were given out to people that shot a swan out of season or where there is no season.

Like I said before any swan I am in shooting range of is normally less the 20 feet. Many times the swan and I are close enough to trade physical blows and insults. With that in mind I think bow hunting them from a kayak would be very exciting.

You've never seen a Tundra Swan then

[Snowwalker]

You've never seen a Tundra Swan then

Seen a few up close. Lots of hissing and bluffing on their part, but only had to "handle" one. They get real calm when your holding their head down.