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November 4th, 2017, 08:05 AM
#41

Originally Posted by
Muskyhunter1001
It’s sad to hear that. I’m going to make another appointment and see how that goes. It’ll be my last attempt at reasoning with him
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That's what would be the best approach. If that still doesn't work,ask for a referral to a Psychiatrist. You may also visit a mental health clinic and speak to a Doctor,there,too. They're considerably more approachable than one would think. If that fails,maybe,you'd be wise to re-think your situation and hunt with archery equipment,exclusively. Best of luck.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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November 4th, 2017 08:05 AM
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November 4th, 2017, 08:26 AM
#42
First. This sucks that this is happening to you. Sorry to hear...but remember, it's just a setback, so let's work with what we got.
All of us suffer with anxiety at some point or another...some have better coping tools than others, so it hits people in different ways. Heck, we know for a fact that the RCMP has plenty of officers who suffer from anxiety in one form or another...and they have guns. So, it's no big deal. I also admire your honesty for wanting to be up front on the forms and being brave enough to come onto forums...with complete strangers...and letting us know what happened. Bravo, sir.
If you would have asked me at the time, I would have recommended against putting that information in the form, with the following in mind...and you probably already know this:
- Behavioral issues such as anxiety/depression are not understood by either the medical or law enforcement authorities. Medical is about fixing your body, not the mind or your behavior, i.e. they'll give you pills and that's all they can do, and the pills they give usually don't make things better from a behavioral perspective. Law enforcement (RCMP)...well...they have no clue. In addition, none of them know you in the way that is needed to make a good assessment so they'll just toss you into what ever system they've made up to address general cases...which they've already done.
- not putting this on the form is making a call on what is relevant and what is not. So...the question becomes: is your current behavioral reaction to stress relevant to owning a firearm.
So...
What I'd recommend now is counselling on this issue with someone other than those two systems...like an anxiety counselor (link below). From there, you both can determine objectively, given your case, if owning fire-arms is the right move at this time, and it might not be.....yet :P. You can then have the confidence knowing the truth that the other two systems are full of carp(lol). From your OP, I think this might be a more important issue than the PAL at this time.
So, if you're struggling with anxiety or need some tools to help you get to the place you want to be, I'd recommend these guys. They really are the best at what they do:
https://anxietycentre.com
Also, read anything by Claire Weeks :P
Also...message me if you want to talk further.
God Bless,
tcs
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November 4th, 2017, 02:29 PM
#43

Originally Posted by
tcsgamer
If you would have asked me at the time, I would have recommended against putting that information in the form ... not putting this on the form is making a call on what is relevant and what is not. So...the question becomes: is your current behavioral reaction to stress relevant to owning a firearm.
No, the question is whether in the past five years you have suffered from, been diagnosed with, or been treated for depression or a behavioral or emotional disorder.
This is a question of fact. Whether the facts are relevant is not for the applicant to decide.
You are counselling people reading this thread to commit an offence.
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November 4th, 2017, 04:57 PM
#44

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
That's what would be the best approach. If that still doesn't work,ask for a referral to a Psychiatrist. You may also visit a mental health clinic and speak to a Doctor,there,too. They're considerably more approachable than one would think. If that fails,maybe,you'd be wise to re-think your situation and hunt with archery equipment,exclusively. Best of luck.
I don't think I've ever disagreed with you Trimmer, but definitely he should NOT see a psychiatrist. If he does that he is definitely finished when it comes to guns., based on my experience.Psychiatrists are even more cautious than a family Dr.
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November 4th, 2017, 06:22 PM
#45

Originally Posted by
Sharon
I don't think I've ever disagreed with you Trimmer, but definitely he should NOT see a psychiatrist. If he does that he is definitely finished when it comes to guns., based on my experience.Psychiatrists are even more cautious than a family Dr.
As mentioned,my son's experience was the opposite,but,I certainly respect your position. Maybe,he hit the right Doc at the right time,who knows?
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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November 4th, 2017, 06:29 PM
#46
I hear you. Definitely doctors have a difficult role. So one is easy going and lets someone with mental health issues keep their gun , and that person commits suicide with that gun. Guess who gets sued by the dead person's family? Guess who may likely lose their license? I understand why most take the "no gun" route.
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November 4th, 2017, 10:08 PM
#47

Originally Posted by
Sharon
I don't think I've ever disagreed with you Trimmer, but definitely he should NOT see a psychiatrist. If he does that he is definitely finished when it comes to guns., based on my experience.Psychiatrists are even more cautious than a family Dr.
This is a total untruth, there are many reasons to see a Psychiatrist that have nothing to do with anything that would keep you from being able to have firearms.
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November 4th, 2017, 10:48 PM
#48

Originally Posted by
Muskyhunter1001
I agree. My last ditched attempt will be asking them to send me to whomever they choose to do my assessment they can come to my house. They can interview everybody in my life. They can bug my phone for all I care. I have nothing to hide.
On a side note.... maybe people with anxiety shouldn’t rent Home Depot trucks. Or heck! Maybe we shouldn’t be allowed to drive either !!
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Its a tough spot your in...I would see every doctor on the planet until you get one to sign...there are psychiatrists out there who will sign it just keep looking.
Life gets tough sometimes and your in tight spot but keep trying and youll get it.
Its probably alot easier if you arent clinically labelled with a certain disorder...if its just general depression or stress I would go see a doctor and tell him it was a rough time for you but you overcame it and are back and better then ever...maybe if you can prove to the doctor(s) you are fine, they will have an easier time signing it.
I would bet the doctor you dropped the paper off at just said no so he didnt have tl read it and its easy to say no if your not there...bring it back to him and tell him your fine now and ask him to sign it in front of you.
otherwise bow hunting is you new best friend...ive not had an issue harvesting deer with archery equipment and my freezer always has venison in it!
I just think its funny you can get a prescription for weed over video conference but then ask a doctor to sign your papers so you can hunt and they look at you like you have 2 heads...no money in it for him and prob anti-hunter.
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November 5th, 2017, 05:45 AM
#49
My doctors office referred me but that was in February. It’s now November ha ha. If that’s the case our medical field isn’t really ensuring timely assessments for mental health. If my doctor or the people he referred me to thought it was important they would have contacted me. I’ve been waiting since February to talk to someone
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November 5th, 2017, 05:47 AM
#50
My doctors office referred me but that was in February. It’s now November ha ha. If that’s the case our medical field isn’t really ensuring timely assessments for mental health. If my doctor or the people he referred me to thought it was important they would have contacted me. I’ve been waiting since February to talk to someone
If it was that important wouldn’t I have seen somebody by now?
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