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November 14th, 2017, 08:16 AM
#31
Would most employers allow their employees to protest on company time? I believe the NFL should've stepped in and as has been said people are there to watch a game, not a bunch of cry babies.
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November 14th, 2017 08:16 AM
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November 14th, 2017, 08:43 AM
#32
Originally Posted by
last5oh_302
Would most employers allow their employees to protest on company time? I believe the NFL should've stepped in and as has been said people are there to watch a game, not a bunch of cry babies.
They are paid to play not to stand for the anthem, that is not company time, even so, look at what unions do and they are part of a union.
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November 14th, 2017, 08:45 AM
#33
Originally Posted by
Fox
They are paid to play not to stand for the anthem, that is not company time, even so, look at what unions do and they are part of a union.
As soon as they step foot in the stadium they're under the guidance of the NFL, so I disagree. They're on company time.
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November 14th, 2017, 09:05 AM
#34
Originally Posted by
last5oh_302
As soon as they step foot in the stadium they're under the guidance of the NFL, so I disagree. They're on company time.
They are part of the NFLPA, their union determines what they can and cannot do, they have their legal ability to protest the anthem as does every single other major sports in north america.
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November 14th, 2017, 09:27 AM
#35
Originally Posted by
Fox
They are part of the NFLPA, their union determines what they can and cannot do, they have their legal ability to protest the anthem as does every single other major sports in north america.
I'm in a union and I can't protest when I'm on the clock. Unions don't determine what is legal and what isn't, unless their collective agreement specifically states they can protest while on company time.
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November 14th, 2017, 10:29 AM
#36
It is the owners who call the shots - all they have to do is say that anyone who kneels when the anthem is played sits on the bench and when their contract is up it doesn't get renewed - if all the owners did this you would end this stupidity very quickly - I for one would never pay to go to a sporting event where the players disrespect the flag of my country - especially by a bunch of spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country - that's why I spend most of my time in the outdoors not at some professional sporting event or a movie where a bunch of low lives are preforming -
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November 14th, 2017, 10:39 AM
#37
Originally Posted by
JoePa
It is the owners who call the shots - all they have to do is say that anyone who kneels when the anthem is played sits on the bench and when their contract is up it doesn't get renewed - if all the owners did this you would end this stupidity very quickly - I for one would never pay to go to a sporting event where the players disrespect the flag of my country - especially by a bunch of spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country - that's why I spend most of my time in the outdoors not at some professional sporting event or a movie where a bunch of low lives are preforming -
If they did this the NFL owners would have no product to put on the field and lose a lot of money, every wonder why no owners have spoken out and said they would sit players? They want to make money, that is what it is all about.
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November 14th, 2017, 12:47 PM
#38
Originally Posted by
Fox
If they did this the NFL owners would have no product to put on the field and lose a lot of money, every wonder why no owners have spoken out and said they would sit players? They want to make money, that is what it is all about.
Yes it is all about money both ways...
How many players are willing to sit out a game and not get paid to make the same point... (which I am not even sure what it is anymore). The issue would get much more airtime if they sat out the entire game in protest....................... but then that player wouldn't get paid for that game............................. so won't happen because it doesn't work in their favour.
Anyway, I think they are silly for doing it and shows lack of respect. They may have the right but I think it is in poor taste.
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November 14th, 2017, 12:53 PM
#39
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
last5oh_302
I'm in a union and I can't protest when I'm on the clock. Unions don't determine what is legal and what isn't, unless their collective agreement specifically states they can protest while on company time.
Nothing in the player's handbook states they have to stand for the national anthem.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...175221581.html
Players have to be on the sideline and the guidebook states uses the words "should" and "may" but not "must" when it comes to actions about the anthem.
Originally Posted by
JoePa
It is the owners who call the shots - all they have to do is say that anyone who kneels when the anthem is played sits on the bench and when their contract is up it doesn't get renewed - if all the owners did this you would end this stupidity very quickly - I for one would never pay to go to a sporting event where the players disrespect the flag of my country - especially by a bunch of spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country - that's why I spend most of my time in the outdoors not at some professional sporting event or a movie where a bunch of low lives are preforming -
See above post about players standing for the national anthem. Furthermore, you think they are spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country. I suppose paying more in income tax from one contract than you have ever made in a lifetime doesn't count for doing anything for the country. How about the number of NFL players who either walked away from the NFL to serve or served prior to joining the NHL or even became politicians? Why doesn't the work players do with charities or the money they donate to charity (some even start a charity) count in your view?
You really need to adjust the metrics you use for determining people's worth. You come across as ignorant and bigoted.
Last edited by Dythbringer; November 14th, 2017 at 12:56 PM.
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November 14th, 2017, 01:48 PM
#40
Originally Posted by
Dythbringer
Furthermore, you think they are spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country. I suppose paying more in income tax from one contract than you have ever made in a lifetime doesn't count for doing anything for the country. How about the number of NFL players who either walked away from the NFL to serve or served prior to joining the NHL or even became politicians? Why doesn't the work players do with charities or the money they donate to charity (some even start a charity) count in your view?
Don't forget giving up their lives and or well being for the entertainment of the masses, CTE has been proven and some football players are actually leaving the game early so as to keep their brains intact so that they will be able to enjoy their lives in their 30s and beyond.
Originally Posted by
fratri
Anyway, I think they are silly for doing it and shows lack of respect. They may have the right but I think it is in poor taste.
The original intent of Colin Kapernick sitting was in to make a point about the abuse of minorities in the US, he did not talk to the media about it, it was a quiet protest. It took Trump being an absolute idiot to get anyone else to step up. Kapernick has essentially been black listed from the game, one of the best QBs for a time he is now on the side lines because he chose to express his problems with the police in the US. Nothing about Kapernick kneeling is silly.
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