Sights or scope

[Frankyv]

this is a great sight solution for muzzleloaders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4POTJnh60c

[MikePal]

this is a great sight solution for muzzleloaders

I sure hope he takes the gun off that sled and shots a few off hand before he goes hunting..all that exercise proved out was that the scope is boresighted...not zeroed for him

[Frankyv]

putting it on a sled or some kind of rest will help in zeroing the sight if you try and zero inoffhand good luck. the red dot sights are excellent devices for short range hunting once zeroed in put that dot in the vital area and your within inches all depending on your shake if you shoot offhand. the beauty is you get to keep both eyes open .

hey Mike i assume all your rifles are zeroed in for you offhand, what is your grouping and at what distance.

[MikePal]

I don't know anyone who shots with the same accuracy between their rifle shoot from a sled and a rifle mounted in their shoulder. If your not zeroing your scope to correct for the errors you introduce into the POA, you will not be ready to make very accurate shots in a hunting scenario.

All I'm pointing out is, like in that the video, a sled gives guys a false confidence in their shooting ability.

And yes, I can make a fairly accurate pie plate shot off hand out to 100yds..

[Frankyv]

I don't know anyone who shots with the same accuracy between their rifle shoot from a sled and a rifle mounted in their shoulder. If your not zeroing your scope to correct for the errors you introduce into the POA, you will not be ready to make very accurate shots in a hunting scenario.

All I'm pointing out is, like in that the video, a sled gives guys a false confidence in their shooting ability.

And yes, I can make a fairly accurate pie plate shot off hand out to 100yds..

Dang Mike i need a transplant and my hopes are gone can you please be gentle on the next one.

cheers

[Fox]

putting it on a sled or some kind of rest will help in zeroing the sight if you try and zero inoffhand good luck. the red dot sights are excellent devices for short range hunting once zeroed in put that dot in the vital area and your within inches all depending on your shake if you shoot offhand. the beauty is you get to keep both eyes open .

hey Mike i assume all your rifles are zeroed in for you offhand, what is your grouping and at what distance.

You sight in your gun and then you shoot it to make sure you know how to shoot it. You are not sighting in with free hand shooting but you need to shoot free hand to make sure you can shoot. There are so many people out there who flinch or yank the gun, etc, these people need to actually shoot in hunting type situations to make sure they can hit their target 100% of the time, sights vs scope vs red dot, nothing matters if you cannot use that tool effectively.

I personally like heavy guns, I sway less with them and have no problem snap shooting with them either. I actually had a nice chat with a friend on the matter and this past deer season was proof once again, I would rather a deer pop out in front of me for a quick shot than be standing out there for an eternity, I have less nerves when it is a split second situation, having all that time gets the blood going and makes for a less stable shot, but I know me.

I always sight in and shoot with both eyes open, was taught this a long time ago, it really helps to acquire the animal in your sights, groundhogs in a grass field with a 6-24x scope was one of the pushes for keeping both eyes open, you can use your non-scope eye to get your prey into your scopes field of view.

I also do not like red dots, I have one on a bow, forgot to turn it off or it got bumped, next time I wanted to take it out, oops, no battery. I also found that they wash out the target in low light, almost as bad as having the sight wash out against an animal in low light but more annoying to me. I guess my personal feeling is that if I am using a red dot why not just use an open or peep sight, but I have no issues with eye sight yet.

Each one has its merits, I have not been able to get into muzzle loaders yet, when I do I want an inline for longer range and a flinter for close in, the sights will be appropriate for the job the firearm is setup for, the same as how I determine the sights for my rifles or shotguns, but no red dot for me, ha ha ha, just my feeling on them at this point in time.

[Deer Wrastler]

I got a run of the mill bushnell banner with my muzzy...never had a problem so far and great scope for the price. Unless your shooting competition a cheaper scope will usually suffice if it has good clarity and gathers light well in low light situations.

[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

For the ultimate scope take a look @ the Leupold VXR line of scopes.
They have a tiny adjustable red-dot in the middle of the crosshair. 30mm tube & auto red-dot shut-off if the rifle is not moved after 5min.

Spendy but hey you get what you pay for...