Muzzleloader Virgin

[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

You are definitely a person that enjoys the finer things in life.

Beware of the high cost of low quality optics & equipment...

[lazyman]

Buy once cry once when I bought my state of art Knight MK85 it was up there in cost but I wouldn't trade it for anything now. But nothing wrong with not spending an arm and a leg as long as you can shoot what you're using well.By the way it's topped with a tasco world class 1 x 3.5 that holding strong.

[Tman]

Savage sounds like a great gun but I am not an acura type guy when a mazda will get the job done for me. I have been shooting a 12 gauge remington 1187 for 25 years now..... My Mathews bow is 20 years old! I assumed the wolf would be a work horse for me and the 2 weeks a year plus the shooting practice I would use it for. I am just hoping that if I do my part the gun will do its. I don't want a gun that will quit on me while I am doing my best to keep it working. It seems to me that no matter which muzzleloader I choose corrosion is an issue? That's why I would rather spend less and do the maintenance rather then spend alot and still have to do the same maintenance. If I was willing to spend alot I would go with the savage or maybe the remington 700ml?. Sounds like it is easier to prevent the corrosion with them. Love the shopping process though!! Was hoping for a black friday special...

[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

I started out with the CVA wolf. It will get the job done under 100 yards & like others have posted start with the blackhorn 209 powder & research the best primers for that powder. It will save you a lot of headaches in the end.

[Fox]

I started out with the CVA wolf. It will get the job done under 100 yards & like others have posted start with the blackhorn 209 powder & research the best primers for that powder. It will save you a lot of headaches in the end.

So your Savage has ballistics that pushes it that far further than a 50 cal CVA? I find it difficult to believe 2300fps vs 200fps will stretch your range out that much further. Maybe the CVA did not group well for some reason but the Savage may not group well either, the velocity of the Blackhorn vs smokless is not all that significant, essentially it is like comparing 308 win to 30-06, people will pick their sides but the deer will not notice what side they are on.

[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

So your Savage has ballistics that pushes it that far further than a 50 cal CVA? I find it difficult to believe 2300fps vs 200fps will stretch your range out that much further. Maybe the CVA did not group well for some reason but the Savage may not group well either, the velocity of the Blackhorn vs smokless is not all that significant, essentially it is like comparing 308 win to 30-06, people will pick their sides but the deer will not notice what side they are on.

The wolf I had wouldn't group worth a darn. It was the blued wolf that came in the plastic packaging like a BB gun.

I gave up on it & sold it...lol

[delmer]

The wolf I had wouldn't group worth a darn. It was the blued wolf that came in the plastic packaging like a BB gun.

I gave up on it & sold it...lol

My son in-law started out with the same gun and had the same result. We spent a lot of time messing with it trying to find some consistency before he replaced it. A newer guy to our group has a T/C Impact, and for an entry level gun priced only slightly more than the Wolf, it performs very well. That is why I commented earlier in the thread that the Impact that is on sale at Cabelas is a very good deal for someone wanting to try muzzleloading without breaking the bank.

[Fox]

My son in-law started out with the same gun and had the same result. We spent a lot of time messing with it trying to find some consistency before he replaced it. A newer guy to our group has a T/C Impact, and for an entry level gun priced only slightly more than the Wolf, it performs very well. That is why I commented earlier in the thread that the Impact that is on sale at Cabelas is a very good deal for someone wanting to try muzzleloading without breaking the bank.

That is the one that I have in my mind as well, a T/C hawken 54 cal as well, possibly a flinter down the road.

[fratri]

I started out with the CVA wolf. It will get the job done under 100 yards & like others have posted start with the blackhorn 209 powder & research the best primers for that powder. It will save you a lot of headaches in the end.

Mine on the other hand, grouped really well using the inexpensive tasco scope it came with.... What's really well....for me it was 2-3" groups at 100yds...
2 triple 7 pellets followed up with a 300gr sst bullet.

Good groupings using an inexpensive muzzleloader may mean different things for different people....

[MikePal]

Mine on the other hand, grouped really well using the inexpensive tasco scope it came with.... What's really well....for me it was 2-3" groups at 100yds...
2 triple 7 pellets followed up with a 300gr sst bullet.

Good groupings using an inexpensive muzzleloader may mean different things for different people....

I consider hitting a Pie Plate at 100 yds Free hand with my . 45 Kentucky patch/ball a Bullseye !