B.C. is ending the grizzly bear hunt

[trimmer21]

It seems like there's something the matter with the "left" coast of N/A from BC down to CA there's always someone coming up with bright ideas. No Grizzly hunt, lets pollute the natural fish with fish farms, etc.

There sure as h*ll is. It's called "liberalism" and it's the common denominator from BC to Cali. Something has fcukt up their brain waves. Living in an Earthquake zone,maybe?

[Deer Wrastler]

Banning one set of hunters (sport hunting) but allowing another set of hunters (sustenance hunting) to continue is no longer acceptable...Really ??? How do you figure on gaining political support to block sustenance hunting by indigenous groups, presently covered under treaty rights ?

Mike do you honestly believe there are natives who will starve if they are temporarily banned from hunting grizzlies? Its not sustinence hunting lets agree to stop calling it that. Do they not have grocery stores on reserves? They could do a little "sustinence shopping".

Lets see some statistics to prove sustinence hunting is as crucial as they believe it is and that its not being abused. How many stores up north selling moose and deer meat. How many walleye are gill netted and sold for profit...is this also sustinence hunting? More like supplemental income. If I could sell the walleye I catch all spring and summer for 5$ per pound I would not need to work hardly as much as I do if at all.

Sustinence can also be found in a grocery store or grown in the garden at home like the majority of the civilized world does. I have native blood in me too and although not registered with a band, I surely do not need to hunt grizzlies to survive even if I lived in BC or AB. Furthermore the game meat I harvest is by choice not out of pure necessity. There are social assistance programs in place to ensure those that cannot work can still survive and are provided for ie available sustenance.

Im not opposed to limiting hunting for a specified time period to help the population but we all need 1 set of rules and rules that are based on science not public opinion. Based on the facts this ban is without just cause and another loss for hunters across the country. We all share the land but not the same rules.

The government have 1 foot in the door we need to cut it off and nail the door shut!

[MikePal]

Mike do you honestly believe there are natives who will starve if they are temporarily banned from hunting grizzlies? Its not sustinence hunting lets agree to stop calling it that.

You really don't seem to have a grasp on the history of this country and how Aboriginal Treaty Rights work in regards to Federal and provincial legislation.

Simply put..First Nations will still be able to harvest grizzly bears pursuant to Aboriginal rights for food, social, or ceremonial purposes, and treaty rights..

That will continue regardless of how you feel about it

[awndray]

But if the White Man also lives a life with those same values and hunts grizzly to sustain his wy of life, he's pooched? Nonsense. Ban sport hunting, sure. But to ban all but one segment of a population, from hunting altogether; if it were the other way around, we'd be labeled as racists.

[Deer Wrastler]

You really don't seem to have a grasp...
That will continue regardless of how you feel about it

Actually I understand fully and thats whats formed my opinion that maybe we overpromised a bit and should have reconsidered before giving away the whole farm.

I just dont agree that subsistence hunting is what alot of people think it is...there is a rampant abuse of the program and while one group has free reign and another group completely restricted...just non sensical...the whole "this land is my land" truly only applies to FN...as Awndry stated, if roles were reversed this would be called racism/discrimination...however catering to a select minority group in my opinion is discrimination. 1 rule for all and lets stop saying subsistence hunting, sure some FN are obviously honest and use it to their benefit however others rampantly abuse the privileges they are bestowed.

[MikePal]

...however catering to a select minority group in my opinion is discrimination. 1 rule for all and lets stop saying subsistence hunting, sure some FN are obviously honest and use it to their benefit however others rampantly abuse the privileges they are bestowed.

That doesn't sound like discrimination or racism, it sounds like 'sour grapes'....

some perspective...back in Oct they were looking at a 'meat hunt' being implementation in the province, ie: NO trophy parts were allowed to be keep...only meat could be hauled out. some indigenous groups were calling for a full moratorium, for their hunters as well. Pressure /input from them was a big part of why a full Ban was approved .

Hunting and sustenance from the land has long been part of indigenous culture and 'mode de vie'. First Nation hunting isn't affected by the ban and indigenous hunting may continue regulated by the individual bands.

The Tsilhqot'in Nation for example has been given Title Land which means they regulate all activities on their traditional territory. So though the ban risked imposing on the way of life of First Nations people in BC as another 'white man' imposed ban on indigenous ways of life, this cultural impact has been mitigated.

However, if we're to respect that way of life, which may include hunting grizzlies, we have to also respect that we need to sustain the bear population. In most indigenous perspectives on hunting-gathering, conservation is an integral part to the life; the connection to the land that supports that way of life requires conservation.

In the case of numerous Coastal First Nations bands, the conservation has become more important than the hunting and they have called for a moratorium on all bear hunting in the Great Bear Rainforest for various reasons.

[mpsmyth6]

Note that the government can ban FN hunting the same as they do to the rest of us hunters. The government knows they will end up in court, whereas the rest of us just seem to bend over and take it...... Enough is enough, if the government is going to ban hunting, then ban it completely but you better have data and science on your side, which is currently not the case. They ban it because it is not socially acceptable for those that know nothing about hunting. By allowing one set of hunters to keep hunting for food, social or ceremony reasons is unacceptable. Time for 1 set of rules.

. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbur...ined-1.4347488

[skull]

These people have the time and are well funded
Check this video

https://youtu.be/DyKaCDHXigk

[Snowwalker]

These people have the time and are well funded
Check this video

https://youtu.be/DyKaCDHXigk

And most of the comments pointing to surveys and reports done by Groups/organizations no one has hear of before.

[redd foxx]

maybe we overpromised a bit and should have reconsidered before giving away the whole farm.

I think it's the FN people who are having these thoughts today!!