It happened again :(

[Fox]

Let me start by saying this - if you give up your freedom and liberal for security you will end up with neither - shooting like this are metal disorder problems - this people are nuts - plain and simple - the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun - we need to get rid of these so called gun free zones - teachers, administrators and security guards need to arm themselves so they are react and stop such shooting from happening or at least limit their damage - we Americans will never give up our guns - law or no law - much of our constitution was written to protect citizens from the government - freedom of speech, right to bear arms, freedom of search and seizure, religious freedom .etc - that's what makes our country different from others - you got to remember the difference in the formation of our countries - our forefathers fought the oppression of the king - while yours didn't

You could say that exact thing 18 times so far this year in schools.

What about all the areas that are not gun free zones? There have been 30 mass shootings in the US in the first 45 days of 2018, 346 in 2017, where are all the good guys with guns?

You say that mental disorders are a problem but you do not believe people should be checked for such things and restricted from owning firearms because of it.

[mosquito]

Quite the diversity of "what we know" out there... the only thing they agree on is that everyone saw a problem kid.

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/e...r-nikolas-cruz
Cruz wore “extreme” patriotic shirts that took issue with Islam and even sported a Trump hat at one stage, Parodie said."
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...83e689cffc8d30
THE shooting suspect called himself the “annihilator”, and students predicted he’d be “the one to shoot up the school”.

He got the AR-15 legally so the anti's or uninformed can use the gun as the "problem" to avoid thinking too deep.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...215-story.html
"Cruz purchased the AR-15 legally about a year ago, a law enforcement official who is familiar with the investigation told The Associated Press. The official, not authorized to discuss this publicly, spoke on condition of anonymity. Federal law allows people 18 and older to legally purchase long guns,including this kind of assault weapon."

When you see assault weapon look at any semi-auto and change the wood to plastic and the anti's will scream assault weapon.... which has nothing to do with the definition of assault rifle Just take
http://i.imgur.com/NtFuivu.jpg?1
change it to
http://www.mwgco.com/mm5/graphics/00...ible_Stock.jpg

Instant "assault weapon" according to the media and delusional....

although going the other way with the wood doesn't seem to affect their attitude usually.
http://i0.wp.com/farm9.staticflickr....e7f10a9f_b.jpg


Others talk about this kid wearing ANTIFA and Communist shirts but of course the Instagram etc. are long gone... the media and politicians will pick what they want for their agenda of course... all while Chicago with the US's strongest gun controls bleeds
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2-...end-shootings/
Six people were killed and and 22 others were wounded, including a 5-year-old girl, between Friday evening and Monday morning.

The percentage of those murdered in the US by gangs and gang violence is about 80% of the deaths (about 70% identified as such in Canada) and there needs to be some cultural and attitude changes. Both there and here we see groups like ANTIFA etc. happily advocating violence for the left and right yet for the left the media seems to give them a free pass unfortunately. Hopefully Trump's turfing of the criminal elements of the immigration won't have the effect I expect here with our idiot in charges we welcome anyone, ISIL and murderers included!

Between a tragedy like this and the recent native shooting we can expect something negative for legal firearm owners (atleast rants and insults if not actual changes) from the master of emotional response ideologues we have in Ottawa.

[410001661]

They take the AR's now, then your pistols, what next......your semi auto hunting long guns, then your bolt action hunting rifles?

The National Shooting Sports Foundation estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States, a small share of the roughly 300 million firearms owned by Americans - so even if you take the AR's out of the equation that only accounts for 3% of their guns.

[BIG MAC]

Just read an article on MSN and passing along this excerpt from it.

Another argument you sometimes hear is that these shootings would happen less frequently if even more people had guns, thus enabling them to defend themselves from the shooting.

But, again, the data shows this is simply not true. High gun ownership rates do not reduce gun deaths, but rather tend to coincide with increases in gun deaths. While a few people in some cases may use a gun to successfully defend themselves or others, the proliferation of guns appears to cause far more violence than it prevents.

Multiplesimulations have also demonstrated that most people, if placed in an active shooter situation while armed, will not be able to stop the situation, and may in fact do little more than get themselves killed in the process.

This video, from ABC News, shows one such simulation, in which people repeatedly fail to shoot an active shooter before they're shot:

[mosquito]

Let's see MSN and a "simulation" by ABC....... that kind of says it there...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08...s-shooter.html
"Here are a few examples of such incidents:
-- In 1997, the assistant principal of Mississippi’s Pearl High School, Joel Myrick, used the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he kept in his truck to detain 16-year-old Luke Woodham after the teenager stabbed and bludgeoned to death his mother at home and killed two students and injured seven at the high school.

-- A decade later, in 2007, Matthew Murray killed four people at Colorado Spring church before being shot by church member and volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam.

-- Last April, an Uber driver with a concealed-carry permit shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people in Chicago’s Logan Square.

-- This September, an usher at a Tennessee church used his personal firearm to subdue a masked gunman who had already killed one woman in the church’s parking lot and injured six others inside."

The US needs a better system to keep track of who can and can't own a firearm and for someone to have a concealed carry they should have proper training for it but to say it doesn't work is empirically false. Better controls will help, cultural changes and enforcement much more so but in any modern shop there is enough there to make your own.... take a look at what was recently seized in the Ukraine... as long as criminals want a firearm there will be a demand and if there is more money than risk someone will supply it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...eized-ukraine/

and with 3D printing ... 45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJyf1IrHtcE

and a 357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rzw-TFVbMM

or an AR?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz8mlB1hZ-o


P.S. No point in a new post for this video I just spotted, of a 71 year old chasing 2 armed robbers out the door.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/964116558384570369

[JoePa]

Dear Mac - just for you - "Studies indicate that firearms are used more than 2 million times a year for personal protection,and that the presence of a firearm , without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances. Shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life, limb, or in some cases, property ." Bills are being introduced in many states to pay for the training of teachers and administrators so that they can defend themselves and students - there is also a bill that would allow you to carry a concealed weapon in any state if you have a permit in one state - don't believe what you read in some liberal rag about gun control and expect to get the truth - guns in the hands of good people is good for everyone

[dutchhunter]

It's so simple to solve the solution. Take away the assault rifles and automatic weapons. With the amount of money the US government wastes it could offer a buy back program but that will never happen because they are so deeply corrupt by the arms manufactures. People say you cant touch the 2nd amendment, yes you can it's called a amendment. If you couldn't then slavery and prohibition would still be the law

He could have just as easily had a pump shotgun full of 7 rounds of buckshot and done just as much damage it's not the gun people got to stop blaming the gun

[rossh]

He could have just as easily had a pump shotgun full of 7 rounds of buckshot and done just as much damage it's not the gun people got to stop blaming the gun

Agree Dutch .

[awndray]

You could say that exact thing 18 times so far this year in schools.

What about all the areas that are not gun free zones? There have been 30 mass shootings in the US in the first 45 days of 2018, 346 in 2017, where are all the good guys with guns?

You say that mental disorders are a problem but you do not believe people should be checked for such things and restricted from owning firearms because of it.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

Is that where you got the number 30? What precisely defines a mass shooting? I think you'll find that not everyone agrees with the numbers.

Regardless, I think we can all agree that evenn one shooting is one too many. I don't know how to fix it, but there certainly is a problem.

[Fox]

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

Is that where you got the number 30? What precisely defines a mass shooting? I think you'll find that not everyone agrees with the numbers.

Regardless, I think we can all agree that evenn one shooting is one too many. I don't know how to fix it, but there certainly is a problem.

There are a bunch of places that have that number, irrelevant of how accurate it is, anywhere close to 1 every 2 days is just insane.

I don't know how to do it but kids need to grow up being taught that violence is not the way to solve your problems, but from what I have read by some of those down south their answer to violence is more violence, which will solve nothing, it will just build up the cycle, as we have seen.