It happened again :(

[JoePa]

Studies indicate that firearms are used more than 2 million times a year for personal protection and that just the presence of a firearm, without firing a shot, prevents crime in many instances - some of you are missing the point - I have a right to defend myself and my family - if I feel I need a gun to do that then it is my choice - if you don't want to have a gun then don't get one - having a gun all locked up in a safe is just about the same as not having one - as I have mentioned before there are evil people out there and it only takes one time when something happens and you wish you had a gun - this latest shooting should have never happened - everyone who knew this kid knew that he was a time bomb that was going to go off someday - the FBI had been warned but did nothing - I have a firearm with me most of the time and I am sure a lot of others do also - having a lot of good guys with guns around makes for a safe environment

Putting rings on your finger or having finger printed recognition triggers just add a lot to the price of a gun and then what about the over 300 million guns already out in the public - if someone wants to buy a gun like that by all means go ahead - I sure don't want one - at the end some additional laws will be enacted as a result of the latest shooting but these will have little affect on the real problem

[canadaman30]

Find your source and reference that before commenting on all of the home invaders being shot. I would love to see the numbers but I expect to come back here to see "fake news" or something similar written.

The fact is that most break and enters are at a similar number to other developed nations and I can never figure out why I do not fear for my life every time to close my eyes but yet the do just across the border in the same sort of environment as I live.

I could care less of your opinion on how you may feel safe. You don't live in the USA so you don't get as far as firearm ownership. You obviously don't live in a high crime area so you have no understanding of what living safe is for people that do. I've had family members who have been broken into while they were home and had to use a gun to save themselves. When ever they talk about it, they always say, they don't know what would have happened to them if they didn't have a gun....

[BIG MAC]

Pretty sure I read that somewhere in the states today a 7 year old accidently shot herself ( think at School ) and from what I'm reading a few people on this thread think that is the price you pay so you can have a gun handy in case your house is broken into. I have 2 young grandchildren 7 and 4 year old and can't even think how I would feel if they found a Loaded handgun in a nightstand and shot one and another. If I lived someplace that I had to carry a gun or have a loaded gun with me for my safety I would be moving pretty quickly.

[JoePa]

Here is what we are dealing with - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20...-cops-say.html - maybe - and you want me to give up my gun - a real nice clean cut guy -

[fratri]

Here is what we are dealing with - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20...-cops-say.html - maybe - and you want me to give up my gun - a real nice clean cut guy -

See we are on the same side........I don't want you to give up your gun, just like you........I just would like people like this not to be able to legally buy them.... Tighter guns laws can close some of the loopholes...

[JoePa]

Mac - look at it this way - because some stupid person leaves a loaded gun somewhere and a kid gets a hold of it and kills them self you want a law passed so that millions of other people - who have enough sense to keep guns away from children - be required to lock up their guns or face a hefty fine and imprisonment - should we let stupid people dictate how we live - and as far as moving somewhere else - that is easier said than done - it might be easier to just to carry a weapon with you just in case

[Species8472]

[Snowwalker]

Pretty sure I read that somewhere in the states today a 7 year old accidently shot herself ( think at School ) and from what I'm reading a few people on this thread think that is the price you pay so you can have a gun handy in case your house is broken into. I have 2 young grandchildren 7 and 4 year old and can't even think how I would feel if they found a Loaded handgun in a nightstand and shot one and another. If I lived someplace that I had to carry a gun or have a loaded gun with me for my safety I would be moving pretty quickly.

The problem is that the house holds where kids are finding loaded guns and shooting themself or someone else, are also the house holds where kids are drinking cleaner from under the sink or eating pills from the bottle on the night stand. One gets lots of news coverage, the other gets none. You don't store your firearms safely only because the law makes you, you store them because you know it's the safe thing to do. I bet your pills and cleaning supplies are locked up too.

[Snowwalker]

How things have changed..maybe they need to change back.
https://pin.it/ru3mlp2acnb2cm

[mosquito]

The problem is that the house holds where kids are finding loaded guns and shooting themself or someone else, are also the house holds where kids are drinking cleaner from under the sink or eating pills from the bottle on the night stand. One gets lots of news coverage, the other gets none. You don't store your firearms safely only because the law makes you, you store them because you know it's the safe thing to do. I bet your pills and cleaning supplies are locked up too.

Well poisoning definitely is a problem too...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 135,928
Deaths per 100,000 population: 42.6
Cause of death rank: 4

Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 31,959
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.0

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 42,032
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.2

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,008
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5

....
"100 per cent of us die, and the percentage cannot be increased." - C.S. Lewis

but some see intent (intentionally or not) on achieving it faster than others.


Canada isn't immune too of course... but let's look at a number we don't often see added up.
http://madd.ca/pages/impaired-drivin...ew/statistics/
In 2013, there were a total of 2,430 crash deaths on public roads, involving at least one highway vehicle (e.g. passenger cars, vans, trucks, or motorcycles). Based on testing of fatally-injured drivers, it may be estimated that 1,451 (59.7%) of these deaths involved drivers who had some alcohol and/or drugs in their system.

369 deaths, or 15.2%, occurred in crashes involving drivers who were positive for alcohol alone.
683 deaths, or 28.1%, occurred in crashes involving drivers who were positive for drugs alone.
399 deaths, or 16.4%, occurred in crashes involving drivers who were positive for both alcohol and drugs

Being intoxicated and driving is illegal but that shows a number multiples higher than the firearm deaths. As I pointed out before in this thread with biometric etc. locks (I gave a bunch of examples) anyone that has the money to invest in a firearm should be able to invest in a safe way to access it and store it but when 80% of the murders are gang related it won't make a big difference in the numbers, but it will make a huge difference in the family!

Locks, vaults, secret rooms etc.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...79#post1052579




P.S.
2008 How Canadians die.
http://nationalpost.com/news/graphic...ny-ways-to-die