RCMP charge Okotoks homeowner after shots fired

[Snowwalker]

You don't have to prove that in Canada.

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Welsh, I just want to be sure you know what happens when I slam 80,000 pounds ( 36,363.64 Kg) of freight and tractor trailer into a 3,000 pound(1,363.64Kg) car and grind it into a cement barrier?

And no I can't really do that in Canada if someone waves a gun, without going to jail and waiting for my trial. Just like the farmers out west. I also can not defend myself in my cab if someone breaks in without going to trial as well.

[Snowwalker]

Oddly, making threats and assault are crimes in Canada too. And self defence is a defence for any criminal act.
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But it's not legal to slice his stomach with a knife in canada.

[welsh]

And no I can't really do that in Canada if someone waves a gun, without going to jail and waiting for my trial. Just like the farmers out west. I also can not defend myself in my cab if someone breaks in without going to trial as well.

Perhaps it has escaped your notice that nobody was waving a gun at the farmer out west.

And no, you will not automatically be charged and go to trial if you defend yourself in Canada. You're just making stuff up.

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[welsh]

But it's not legal to slice his stomach with a knife in canada.

Nor is it in many states. But that's not a question of castle doctrine, regardless.

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[Snowwalker]

Perhaps it has escaped your notice that nobody was waving a gun at the farmer out west.

And no, you will not automatically be charged and go to trial if you defend yourself in Canada. You're just making stuff up.

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Have you never heard of the charges of "Vehicle homicide", reckless Driving, Undue Care and Attention, and the list goes one. Even if someone in the car put bullet holes in my truck, I still would get charged and have to defend myself in court.

[Snowwalker]

Nor is it in many states. But that's not a question of castle doctrine, regardless.

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I hate to tell you, but in the case of "feared for my safety" it is. Only places it could be a problem is socialist States run by Democrats.

[welsh]

I hate to tell you, but in the case of "feared for my safety" it is.

Um, no.

Fact: state laws on self-defence fall into two categories. Either they reflect the English common law, or they reflect the True Man doctrine, more recently known as "stand your ground." Where the law reflects the English common law approach to self-defence, "I feared for my safety" does not excuse disproportionate violence in response to an attack in a public place.

If you wish to dispute this based on your personal experience, I suggest you first knife someone in a diner in each of the states.

Have you never heard of the charges of "Vehicle homicide", reckless Driving, Undue Care and Attention, and the list goes one. Even if someone in the car put bullet holes in my truck, I still would get charged and have to defend myself in court.

No matter what you choose to believe, it is not the case that you will automatically be charged and taken to trial if you defend yourself in Canada. That's just not true, and repeating it won't make it true. So you can quit dreaming up scenarios and then catastrophizing the outcome.

Again, the original topic of this thread is whether a property owner has the right to defend his property, and what the limits of that right are. Your self-defence rabbit holes have nothing to do with that.

[Snowwalker]

Um, no.

Fact: state laws on self-defence fall into two categories. Either they reflect the English common law, or they reflect the True Man doctrine, more recently known as "stand your ground." Where the law reflects the English common law approach to self-defence, "I feared for my safety" does not excuse disproportionate violence in response to an attack in a public place.

How would it be disprotionate?

That question is in fact at the center of this whole problem. Liberials, Democrats, what ever they call themselves think that ANY response to an Attacker or Robber is disprotionate.

[line052]

Don't be silly...it will have to escalate to the point of the police fearing his life. At that point...it is ok...not like for the homeowner. You see a police officer has the authority to use up and including deadly force. Yes it is subject to a review, be gets paid during review. I want the same conditions for me, as a police officer has....

You actually believe that a police officer can shoot someone for breaking into a car? Just stroll up to a petty thief and execute them?

I'm starting to understand how some of your political beliefs have been formed.

[MikePal]

Well the ball is beginning to roll...good to see that the rural community is talking with the politicians and putting the RCMP's feet to the fire for answers. So far their responses (excuses) are pathetic and woefully short of the quality of policing that the rural residents are entitled to.

Excellent article..a good beginning to identify what the problems are.


a little more than a 'few CD's'

Brad Toone, who farms in the MD of Willow Creek, said $70,000 worth of equipment was stolen from his property in the last year and a half, including multiple vehicles and batteries.
He voiced frustration, saying he and others aren't reporting thefts anymore because with the frequency of crimes, it wasn't worth the time to document the losses, vandalism on his farm and wait for police.

to add insult..charge you to get your stuff back

“We had a vehicle stolen, it was involved in a police chase, roll over,” Toone said. “They kept it for evidence and when they finally said we could pick it up, we got charged for towing. Greyland was told by letter he would have to pay more than $500 to the impound lot to get it back.

claim it on your insurance....oops...they cancelled that

Delilah Miller, deputy reeve for Foothills County, said some residents have been victimized multiple times and are now unable to get insurance.
“We need to rally our insurance companies and say, 'help these people out, it's not their fault they've been robbed,''' she said.

http://www.highrivertimes.com/2018/0...t-open-houseMP