Liberal gun bill

[B Wilson]

Once they get their hands on your guns, you ain't getting them back. Even if you are not guilty of anything
17 Subsection 115(1) of the Act is replaced by the following:
Forfeiture
115 (1) Unless a prohibition order against a person specifies otherwise, every thing the possession of which is prohibited by the order is forfeited to Her Majesty if, on the commencement of the order, the thing is in the person’s possession or has been seized and detained by, or surrendered to, a peace officer.

[welsh]

That applies only when you are under a prohibition order, e.g. if you are convicted of a violent crime and prohibited from owning guns.

It clarifies that if you are convicted of a crime, the Canadian taxpayer does not have to compensate you when your guns are taken away.

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[MikePal]

I would hope the system fails miserably. Nothing less.

I foresee there will be little compliance ( ignored) in second hand/private sales market. There doesn't appear to be any requirement for you to keep records of the 'ref#' for a valid PAL, so as soon as you done your due diligence..next. Pretty hard for the RCMP to track your sales transactions when there are no records kept.

Not much different than it is now...guy asks to see your PAL (in case someone is watching) , you flash it at him from 6' away, he nods, takes your money and you move on...LOL..

I guess they don't care if you have a valid PAL when buying ammo...no mention of making vendors like CT call for a ref# before they sell it to you...why they bother with that charade is beyond me.

Worthless piece of legislation in purpose or application...of course it will fail as it has no benchmark to achieve.

[rick_iles]

What if you planned on going to a gun show and expected to make a purchase, so you called the CFC a week earlier and got the reference # that confirmed your PAL was valid, or better yet an emailed and dated print-out ? That way you bring it and your PAL to the show and buy what you want, if it worked like that it may not be so bad

The seller has to call at the time of sale. I doubt the “prescribed time” will be very long. You will have to complete the sale fairly quickly.

[rick_iles]

Once they get their hands on your guns, you ain't getting them back. Even if you are not guilty of anything
17 Subsection 115(1) of the Act is replaced by the following:
Forfeiture
115 (1) Unless a prohibition order against a person specifies otherwise, every thing the possession of which is prohibited by the order is forfeited to Her Majesty if, on the commencement of the order, the thing is in the person’s possession or has been seized and detained by, or surrendered to, a peace officer.

That has always been the case. If there was no disposition order, the guns were chopped. I think this just clarified things.

[welsh]

I think the rationale for the prescribed time is that a licence could be revoked in theory at any time, so the window would be short. But it could reasonably be 24 hrs.

Incidentally, was going through the press kit on this & the intent is not to keep any firearms details (make, model, serial no) on an NR transfer. The Liberals seem to be trying hard to avoid the backdoor registry angle.

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[Fox]

I think the rationale for the prescribed time is that a licence could be revoked in theory at any time, so the window would be short. But it could reasonably be 24 hrs.

Incidentally, was going through the press kit on this & the intent is not to keep any firearms details (make, model, serial no) on an NR transfer. The Liberals seem to be trying hard to avoid the backdoor registry angle.

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I did not read anything on make or model either, you are simply calling to verify that the license is valid, you do not even need to tell them if there was a gun sold or if there was 50 guns sold, at least not how it reads now.

The link below is one reason why they are doing this, this guy was banned from having firearms but still had his card, which had not expired. He was able to buy non-restricted firearms and ammo with no license at all because he still had his old card. It is not a horrible idea, as long as they are not taking more info.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...dict-1.4407526

As for ammo sales, businesses have been required to take address, PAL #, amount and type of ammo in record in Ontario for a very long time, we essentially have had an ammunition registry in Ontario.

[mosquito]

Mostly it is a pain in the a** that will get little regard, Cuckoo is going on a rant as usual and Justlied Trudeau is living up to his name again...

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/st...98598252433413
Justin Trudeau
‏Verified account @JustinTrudeau
22h22 hours ago
The fact is, gun violence has risen in this country, and is a clear threat to public safety. We’re acting on our campaign commitment to crack down on gangs & illegal handguns, and put tighter controls on assault weapons.



Justin Trudeau
‏Verified account @JustinTrudeau
We’re also introducing stronger and more rigorous background checks on gun sales. And if you want to buy a gun, by law you’ll have to show a license at the point of purchase. Right now that’s not a requirement.
7:10 AM - 20 Mar 2018


But as soon as they start talking assault weapons I stop believing what they are saying anyway .... Assault rifle .... has ONE ever been used in a crime in Canada, I have never heard of it..... and wouldn't a baseball bat also be an assault weapon if used that way???? Knife ban??

The call to make sure the card is still valid, no different from what is done now when I recently sold a firearm so as long as they don't go idiotic I see no issue. The lifetime check,that may be a problem for some, what are their cutoff offenses, if you had antidepressants 20 years ago or a woman after birth a decade ago wants to take up shooting .... not allowed based on, someones discretion????

[MikePal]

As for ammo sales, businesses have been required to take address, PAL #, amount and type of ammo in record in Ontario for a very long time, we essentially have had an ammunition registry in Ontario.

A registry of a consumable product...makes sense.

Unless I'm mistaken that data has never gone any farther than the page on the book on the shelf at CT...the books aren't submitted to the RCMP but held in storage. So if that is called a registry.....I'm amused

[MikePal]

But as soon as they start talking assault weapons I stop believing what they are saying anyway .... Assault rifle .... has ONE ever been used in a crime in Canada, I have never heard of it.....

Denis Lortie...armed with two C-1 submachine guns...comes to mind.