New Tag format Next Year ?

[MikePal]

Process the deer when he gets home and goes out again days later with the same sheet and does the same thing all over again.

Same as they do now..the tag itself doesn't make a difference...a poacher will poach no matter what 'legal' system is in place.

With DNA evidence etc now they can convict a poacher with a lot more than a fraudulent tag.




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[Gilroy]

Same as they do now..the tag itself doesn't make a difference...a poacher will poach no matter what 'legal' system is in place.

With DNA evidence etc now they can convict a poacher with a lot more than a fraudulent tag.




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Bit of a silly reply are you suggesting the present tags are as easy as duplicating a piece of paper.The tag makes a BIG difference and they are going from one that once on a timed and dated,they are hard to re use.Do you really think they are going to run DNA tests costing thousands of dollars when they can hardly put gas in their tanks.
Sure poachers will poach no matter what the system but why would we make it easier for them.Not tagging right on the scene of the kill is also a bad idea that makes no sense especially when you need to tag as soon as you get to the meat pole.

[Gilroy]

I was thinking the same thing. I can see it,now. Poacher whacks a deer and gets it out without being seen.but,has a sheet in his pocket "just in case." Process the deer when he gets home and goes out again days later with the same sheet and does the same thing all over again. Downloading the license once to PDF satisfies the computer programming,but,once you have it, you can print off as many copies as needed. The chances of pinching a poacher,now,is slim to none. I guess that's just the ol'coppers coming out in us,eh,Gilroy?



Printers are cheap these days. Another $25 and you can buy your own printer.

Printers are cheap these days its the dam refills they get you with.LOL

[Species8472]

Do you really think they are going to run DNA tests costing thousands of dollars when they can hardly put gas in their tanks.

It's the government, of course they will. You can be sure they will spend the little bit of money they have as inefficiently as possible - remember the helicopter caribou transplant . Took me 30 seconds to find this case from 2017 where they used DNA testing on a guy poaching turkeys. If I can find one that quickly you can be sure it happens regularly.

http://www.southwestmiddlesex.ca/Com...20Offences.pdf

Another 30 seconds to find another one from 2017:

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2017/10...ting-violation

[Fox]

Same as they do now..the tag itself doesn't make a difference...a poacher will poach no matter what 'legal' system is in place.

With DNA evidence etc now they can convict a poacher with a lot more than a fraudulent tag.




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This would make it easier though, the poacher could be stopped with a deer with the license on it and then stopped the next day with another deer and they may not be able to put 2 and 2 together. The saving grace is that there are only so many COs so the poacher will probably run into the same guy 2 days in a row with 2 different deer. That being said, there are so few COs that you are not likely to ever see one, you could shoot a deer every day and never see a CO, especially if you are poaching on your own property. The TIPS line is essentially the only way to catch these guys, people calling in and telling the authorities what is happening.

[MikePal]

I hunt in an area that does not have Internet or cell phone service for both deer and moose. How is that going to work?


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Just tune your 'Talkabout' to channel #1 and pass on the info to the CO that's listening in...LOL

Easy..since you have your paper in you pocket from before you went, find a land line to register your deer once you're done hunting.

[MikePal]

To address a lot of the 'What If' scenerios'...I found a link for this new type of tag system that has been implemented in Wisconsin. I will assume the MNR system will be similar and will probably follow this closely as they may be using the same US based source for the tags that we use here in Ont.

what they look like:



How it works..

While hunting, customers will still be required to carry proof they are authorized to hunt within the designated location. Hunters will be able to use their paper tag/authorization, DNR issued Conservation Card, a GoWild validated Wisconsin driver's license, a GoWild digital file as proof of compliance.
Harvested turkey and deer must still be registered under current law. Harvest registration is a critical part of deer and turkey population management. Customers will be asked to enter either their deer tag number or their turkey harvest authorization number into the Game Registration system to begin the harvest registration process. Please note, tag or authorization numbers are different than a customer identification number. Hunters will need to know their tag or authorization number to register.
GameReg
All harvested turkey and deer must be registered electronically by 5 p.m. the day after being recovered. GameReg is simple, fast and convenient for hunters. The system will prompt hunters to answer a series of questions, beginning with the deer tag/harvest authorization number and the hunter's date of birth.
Hunters will have two options for registering:
• online at GameReg.wi.gov (fastest and easiest option);
• by phone at 1-844-426-3734 (1-844-GAME-REG); or

http://dnr.wi.gov/news/weekly/article/?id=4066

This is an FAQ link about some of your concerns...and probably the most informative thing to read thru. ;

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...Cdi78v0ALZumqV

[MikePal]

The saving grace is that there are only so many COs so the poacher will probably run into the same guy 2 days in a row with 2 different deer.

That's the old days..CO's now use 'digital'..they access the MNR data base and see what you've paid for and what you're allowed to do.... that's why they don't need the tag attached to the deer anymore...it's irrelavant.

This new tag system however will count heavily on the mandatory reporting, so the data in your account has to be up to date..and the onus is on you to do that.

I like how if you don't register the number assigned to you (filled or not)...you don't get one the following year.

[Fox]

That's the old days..CO's now use 'digital'..they access the MNR data base and see what you've paid for and what you're allowed to do.... that's why they don't need the tag attached to the deer anymore...it's irrelavant.

This new tag system however will count heavily on the mandatory reporting, so the data in your account has to be up to date..and the onus is on you to do that.

I like how if you don't register the number assigned to you (filled or not)...you don't get one the following year.

This is key, but will they may it mandatory? Or will they check at all? The number of turkeys shot in a year dropped dramatically the year they let you call it in rather than show up at a check station, I doubt the number of birds actually dropped at all.

The number of guys that suggest that we lie on our reports to say that we saw tons of deer to get more antlerless tags and complain that they are losing out on moose hunting or extra tags without any concept of sound population management and looking to the future make me believe that unless there is a significant increase in enforcement these tag changes and mandatory reporting will be meaningless.

[manyo]

That's the old days..CO's now use 'digital'..they access the MNR data base and see what you've paid for and what you're allowed to do.... that's why they don't need the tag attached to the deer anymore...it's irrelavant.

This new tag system however will count heavily on the mandatory reporting, so the data in your account has to be up to date..and the onus is on you to do that.

I like how if you don't register the number assigned to you (filled or not)...you don't get one the following year.

Yep. It's a good system. Poachers can't pretend to have lost their tag or anything like that. I do have a slight concern about cellular data coverage (presumably the way they will check validity of tags in the field) in ON though...