Woodcock

[be2man]

Who are the "Board of Directors"? Are you referring to permits you have for Michigan or permits you've previously had in Ontario?

[sidelock]

Who are the "Board of Directors"? Are you referring to permits you have for Michigan or permits you've previously had in Ontario?

Ontario, Board Of Directors for Hullet TWP.

[Fenelon]

May 15 is a joke. I live north of Fenelon Falls and Woodcock are on eggs right now on my property. They've been peenting/breeding for the past 10 days.There would definitely be detrimental impact on brooding birds if you let your dogs roam until the 15th of May. I'd be calling a CO if I saw someone obviously working a pointing dog. We've lost 70% of our continental population in the past 30 years. No need to stress or hunt what's left out of season IMO.

[be2man]

Covered with snow 3 days ago, must be hardy birds

[fishhawk]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe you can use pigeons year round in Ontario for dog training. Including shooting them as there is no closed season for them. Also no permit required.

[yellow dog]

May 15 is a joke. I live north of Fenelon Falls and Woodcock are on eggs right now on my property. They've been peenting/breeding for the past 10 days.There would definitely be detrimental impact on brooding birds if you let your dogs roam until the 15th of May. I'd be calling a CO if I saw someone obviously working a pointing dog. We've lost 70% of our continental population in the past 30 years. No need to stress or hunt what's left out of season IMO.

Excellent reponse Fenelon and that is why I stay out of the bush with my working dogs and use pigeons to train instead during this breeding/nesting period. I also go to a game farm to hunt pheasant and chukar during this period. I train at least 5 times a week using a variety of different size feathered throwing dummies, live birds, frozen birds etc. I make an effort/point not to stress the wild bird population. Why take the chance.

[vom Dufenshmirtz]

I wrote about it in the past, if you really want to know, search my posts in this forum.

[Fenelon]

Re: Sat images from three days ago. Not sure what site that was pulled from, but it definitely does not depict my area three days ago. Thaw after the recent storm started here Thursday the 19th. We had completely open fields by pm on the 21st. Through work, I conducted extensive deer pellet surveys in Victoria, Peterborough, and Haliburton counties from 1984 - 2002. Literally 146,000 man hours in the field with up to 195 participants involved in each spring survey (Fleming College, F+W Program). The earlies we've seen brooding Woodcock on eggs is April 11 in Hindon Twp, which is west of Carnarvon. Nogies Creek and Dalrympyle deer yards - the earliest we surveyed these yards was April 9 and we encountered brooding birds on eggs. Peak peenting in Harvey and Ops Twps ( by Bobcaygeon and Lindsay) based on standardized CWS peenting Woodcock surveys was April 17 over a 14 year data set. These birds are actively brooding eggs earlier than you think.

[be2man]

That's some good information, thanks. I believe where Woodcock banding is done they locate nesting birds with pointing dogs and record the nest locations by GPS without disrupting the birds and then go back post incubation to find the hen and catch the chicks to band, presumably without disrupting brooding or survival of the banded chicks.


3 days ago from the 23rd, absolutely it was.

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[sidelock]

IMG_20180429_114803.jpgAfter putting some pigeons out for the pup I took the old guy out for a short run while I walked back to retrieve the release traps and he nailed one along the creek bank. It was sitting on a nest so I collared the dog and walked away without disturbing the bird.IMG_20180429_114726.jpg