Personal ethics, laws and hating on other hunters

[greatwhite]

Total BS

I don't recall slamming anyone for following the law. Not my style. Back to this thread. I have good ethics. I encourage people to hunt. I like other hunters. I dislike other hunters who do not follow the rules. No need to dislike anyone who obeys the hunting regulations as written. Do not make up your own laws. Simple enough?

[Jerryklimczuk]

The "if you don't agree with me then you are wrong" attitude spreads way beyond hunting. I hate the fact that people can't agree to disagree then move on and have a beer and talk about what they do agree on. Unfortunately that's the world we live in so we just have to deal with it.

X2, 100% agree. Thankfully the beer I have in the fridge is cold and going down easy!

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[TurkeyObsessed]

I haven't read all the comments on this thread as it is 4 pages........... but when I found this form 4-5 years ago now I found a bunch of guys who were willing to help out, give you some info and not bash the heck out of you if you said something they didn't like. Most of those guys are gone now and I don't come and visit this form as often as I did because of that. It also seems like anything anyone says gets brought back to politics some how!! I think If we were to all sit in a room and have some of the talks that happen on this form in person (which I do not take part in) we would say half the crap we say when were hiding behind our key boards, Which just shows what kind of people you are dealing with, sometimes.

Sorry i think this was my first rant but its been bugging me for a while and I don't say much here.

Cheers.

[Badenoch]

Can you provide examples of legal practices which deserve condemnation?

Here are examples of a legal practice that deserves condemnation and an illegal practice that that doesn't.

Hunting big game with inadequate rounds. Any centerfire is legal under the regulations so a .25-20 rifle would be a legal moose rifle in Ontario. Hardly ethical.

The flip side is hunting small game with a rifle having a bore larger than .275 in a county or township where they are prohibited. If a person used a 32-20 for small game instead of a .270 Weatherby they'd be breaking the law but would hardly be unethical. The same could be said having a couple of slugs with you while bird hunting during an open big game season.

Personally, I won't defend hounding deer or bear even though it is "legal." Letting loose a pack of dogs to tree a bear or run a deer to exhaustion is well outside my definition of fair chase.

[canadaman30]

This all sounds wonderful Fox, but when it comes to who these so-called abusive posters are, I think maybe you should be looking a little closer to home, or in the mirror for that matter.

Practice what you're preaching here a little more and maybe you'll be a little more respected in turn.

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No kidding. Well done sir.

[greatwhite]

I read most of Fox's posts and I have never seen an abusive post from him, me on the other hand I have in the past many years ago.

This all sounds wonderful Fox, but when it comes to who these so-called abusive posters are, I think maybe you should be looking a little closer to home, or in the mirror for that matter.

Practice what you're preaching here a little more and maybe you'll be a little more respected in turn.

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[Gilroy]

I haven't read all the comments on this thread as it is 4 pages........... but when I found this form 4-5 years ago now I found a bunch of guys who were willing to help out, give you some info and not bash the heck out of you if you said something they didn't like. Most of those guys are gone now and I don't come and visit this form as often as I did because of that. It also seems like anything anyone says gets brought back to politics some how!! I think If we were to all sit in a room and have some of the talks that happen on this form in person (which I do not take part in) we would say half the crap we say when were hiding behind our key boards, Which just shows what kind of people you are dealing with, sometimes.

Sorry i think this was my first rant but its been bugging me for a while and I don't say much here.

Cheers.

I agree with you in relation to the politics and the usual suspects who start it generally it starts as a anti Liberal post and goes down hill.There is a off topic section they can go to bash each other and keep it out of the other sections,but the moderators ALLOW the attacks to start and then there is the response.
The anti liberals are well aware what they are doing and are doing it for the fun of it.I personally would never change my political leaning based on what I read from the other side,but would be happier if they did not start the bs. I will not start a political attack but do not mind responding.

[Gilroy]

I read most of Fox's posts and I have never seen an abusive post from him, me on the other hand I have in the past many years ago.

I agree with you Fox,s posts are always very respectful.

[greatwhite]

I think mine and your posts for the most part are respectful as well.

I agree with you Fox,s posts are always very respectful.

[Gun Nut]

I agree Badenoch and support your opinion. A recent woodcock thread debated whether or not it was legal to train a pointing breed during the nesting period(ethical). Some did not agree and described what they did instead during the nesting period. Based on my personal ethics I would not, even though the current law doesn't prohibit it. The conversation was civil and could have easily continued with more debate but it didn't..Sometimes we need to just walk away.

This might be a good example of what everyone is trying to get at. It is not unethical to train a pointing breed during the woodcock nesting season, providing you are not using nesting woodcocks to do so. It all about the reason for not disturbing the bird, if the bird is driven off the nest, that clutch of eggs could be left unhatched and lost to repopulate the specie. The Migratory Convention Act targets as illegal, any behavior that might result in that happening. For much the same reason the hunting regulation, make it illegal to shoot or interfere with black bears in their dens, or damage or destroy their dens. Nesting sites are important in the regeneration of all wildlife. Right now they are raising concern about the decline of the woodland caribou out in western Canada. Their thought is to establish caribou maternity pens and cull the wolf. Heaven forbid that they cease all industrial exploration and expansion on the calving grounds. It's easy to suggest some practice is not ethical, and say I won't do it. However what is often missing is your reason "why." Things that may seem obvious to one individual, may not ever be on the radar of someone else. In some cases it not enough, just to proclaim a behavior is illegal, It might not have occurred to someone else why it should be so. That may be why I'm so wordy, for me reasons are king!

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