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[Dythbringer]

... and the minimum is still better than the alternatives by far looking at their policies, promised spending, tax increase, candidates etc.

Here is Doug today.
https://www.facebook.com/FordNationD...6022489185375/
All CBC etc want to ask about is something that happened 2 years ago and was cleared... and I am sure they will bring up a dozen times and I have seen it spun many times already.


and I will simplify it down.


1) Media backs left
2) Outside organizations like Lead Now etc are spending millions to keep Wynne in power
Listening to this in the back ground and Lead Now came up... more Librano action.
https://www.therebel.media/liberals_...line_charities
3) The left and media have got good at misleading, spinning and out right lies and supports a leftist ideology
4) Billions in spending will put interest payments as the largest cost to the government in a decade according to some (depending on interest rates etc)
5) The NDP and Libs want to take and create "incentives" for people to do what they want... just like Justin (likes high gas prices)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtujstXkZ-c
6) Gaza is relevant due to NDP and atleast Federal Lib support for Hamas and also the divisive "us vs them" the left used historically and today while lining their and their supporters pockets. So we see more like this
https://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...h_ontario.html
and
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...hing-quota-to/

It is also relevant in that alt-left violent groups like ANTIFA are backing the current left ideology we see in the Federal and Ontario NDP, they have no problem with violence, UK Antifa and Red Action and here so much so that ANTIFA can assault a woman reporter, police don't act and CBC staff make jokes on twitter.


So get it? Still no?

Super simple so I can go back to work.... NDP are idiots, Libs lie, both increase taxes and are incapable of good job creation only capable of having the gov't hire more to do nothing and NDP even wants to close nuclear plants and create a sanctuary province. Alternative, Doug, wants to reduce taxes and balance budget, what ever he says left will fear monger and lie like they did for Hudak with the media helping. If he says "I like kittens" the media will turn him into a dog hater who likes to cook kittens.... got it yet?

The minimum isn't good enough for the shape we are in. He couldn't answer a question about how a bill gets passed in the Ontario legislature yet promised to pass endless bills. That answer should concern you as a PC supporter. It concerns me. That is grade 6 education failing a grown man. He didn't even try to answer the question. He complained it was a "gotcha" question. It was one of the easiest questions a political leader could have. I would have been happy with the basics (introduction, readings and royal assent) but he didn't even provide that. We aren't a new nation which needs endless bills passed. I don't want the minimum from a person asking me to endorse him to run my province. I want better.

Allow me to refute your simplified points:
1) The media doesn't always back the left because there are plenty of radio stations, newspapers and columnists who have been vocal about Wynne's running of the province and her policies as well as criticized Howrath about her platform. If they backed the left as much as you think, we would hear nothing but praises about Empress Wynne.
2) As do right-wing supporting groups such as Ontario Proud and Canadian Taxpayers Federation
3) Seems to me that the right wing media outlets do the same thing. Most of your post history has few criticisms of the political right.
4) Yet Ford has not come up with a way to get us out of that debt because he doesn't have a platform.
5) Seems to me that most politicians do this. Not just the left.
6) Neither Gaza, nor the federal government's support of Hama has nothing to do with provincial politics. You act like the left's supporters are the only ones who abuse the system. Take off the rose coloured glasses. They all have warts. Also, traditionally the "us vs them" attitude has been more prevalent in right wing supports. There aren't too many left wing militias in the US afraid the government is going to come and take everything away from them; nor too many left groups opposing immigration because they aren't like "us".

Violence can be found in any alt group no matter what the political outlook. The definition of these groups is they reject the "mainstream" policies of their political views. Saying one side's violence is morally reprehensible while ignoring the other side's violence is hypocritical.

Still don't understand? Perhaps you should go back, read slowly and use a dictionary for the big words. However, in case you are too illiterate to sound the words out, I will simplify with small ones so I can get back to work.

Doug Ford has stated he wants to run this province. He may gain my support (that means I will vote for him) when he delivers a platform I can use as a metric (that means a system or standard of measurement) to figure if it is a good plan and I can use his platform during the next election to establish if he did a good or poor job. I don't want the bare minimum. Being premier is too important for the bare minimum. As for his treatment by the media, Ford has not done one thing to try to repair his relationship to the media during this campaign (not allowing them on his bus, his stupid "Ford nation" reports, talking down to them during interviews, etc) so I am not going to shed a tear when they don't treat him with kid gloves.

About the questions concerning the "relevation" from the Liberals today, there are people out there saying that he bought their memberships (as well as a tape implying as much) and if that is against the party rules, then that is a massive red flag about the character of Ford. How can he stand up and say he is morally better than Wynne and Howrath if he has done something like this?

[terrym]

Ford just needs to do what the two others do so well. Just lie. Stretch goals. Works every time in Ontario. Reality is the books are likely twice as bad as the auditors think because Wynne decimated their scope and access to the real numbers. And real numbers don't even matter anymore. The Dippers only made a $1.4 billion mistake in their platform and for that they got more support. Ontarians are now the laziest and most uninformed in Canada. I bet 75% couldn't even name their MPP.

[Dythbringer]

Ford just needs to do what the two others do so well. Just lie. Stretch goals. Works every time in Ontario. Reality is the books are likely twice as bad as the auditors think because Wynne decimated their scope and access to the real numbers. And real numbers don't even matter anymore. The Dippers only made a $1.4 billion mistake in their platform and for that they got more support. Ontarians are now the laziest and most uninformed in Canada. I bet 75% couldn't even name their MPP.

No he doesn't need to lie. At the beginning he was high in the polls, people wanted him to be Premier. I wasn't thrilled that he won the PC leadership but I was willing to give him a chance. As the weeks go on and more I have seen of him, the less I think he is qualified to run this province. The polls are starting to reflect that fact.

I agree with you that the reality is that the books are way worse than what has been announced. This Premier and her cabinet have repeatedly shown that they are more than willing to fudge numbers.

I think the Dippers didn't get the increase because of the mistake but from the Liberal jumpers who don't want Ford to win because the support for the Liberals is around 20%.

[yellow dog]

Dyth the reality is neither the Liberals or the NDP have proven they are not competent with or without a platform. I am willing to give Doug Ford a chance even if he only accomplishes small financial wins such as job creation in the manufacturing sector, firing the CEO of Hydro and uncovering the cooked book fiasco. Doug Ford doesn't need a shovel to dig this province out of this mess that the Liberals have created but a effin Backhoe !

I am sick and tired of career politicians telling us how to run this province like Wynn, Horvath, Elliot and Vic Viagra. It's time a for a businessman or women to run this province and kick these career politicians in the *ss and clean this huge mess up created by these career politicians or snake oil salesmen.

[mosquito]

The minimum isn't good enough for the shape we are in. He couldn't answer a question about how a bill gets passed in the Ontario legislature yet promised to pass endless bills. That answer should concern you as a PC supporter. It concerns me. That is grade 6 education failing a grown man. He didn't even try to answer the question. He complained it was a "gotcha" question. It was one of the easiest questions a political leader could have. I would have been happy with the basics (introduction, readings and royal assent) but he didn't even provide that. We aren't a new nation which needs endless bills passed. I don't want the minimum from a person asking me to endorse him to run my province. I want better.

Allow me to refute your simplified points:
1) The media doesn't always back the left because there are plenty of radio stations, newspapers and columnists who have been vocal about Wynne's running of the province and her policies as well as criticized Howrath about her platform. If they backed the left as much as you think, we would hear nothing but praises about Empress Wynne.
2) As do right-wing supporting groups such as Ontario Proud and Canadian Taxpayers Federation
3) Seems to me that the right wing media outlets do the same thing. Most of your post history has few criticisms of the political right.
4) Yet Ford has not come up with a way to get us out of that debt because he doesn't have a platform.
5) Seems to me that most politicians do this. Not just the left.
6) Neither Gaza, nor the federal government's support of Hama has nothing to do with provincial politics. You act like the left's supporters are the only ones who abuse the system. Take off the rose coloured glasses. They all have warts. Also, traditionally the "us vs them" attitude has been more prevalent in right wing supports. There aren't too many left wing militias in the US afraid the government is going to come and take everything away from them; nor too many left groups opposing immigration because they aren't like "us".

Violence can be found in any alt group no matter what the political outlook. The definition of these groups is they reject the "mainstream" policies of their political views. Saying one side's violence is morally reprehensible while ignoring the other side's violence is hypocritical.

Still don't understand? Perhaps you should go back, read slowly and use a dictionary for the big words. However, in case you are too illiterate to sound the words out, I will simplify with small ones so I can get back to work.

Doug Ford has stated he wants to run this province. He may gain my support (that means I will vote for him) when he delivers a platform I can use as a metric (that means a system or standard of measurement) to figure if it is a good plan and I can use his platform during the next election to establish if he did a good or poor job. I don't want the bare minimum. Being premier is too important for the bare minimum. As for his treatment by the media, Ford has not done one thing to try to repair his relationship to the media during this campaign (not allowing them on his bus, his stupid "Ford nation" reports, talking down to them during interviews, etc) so I am not going to shed a tear when they don't treat him with kid gloves.

About the questions concerning the "relevation" from the Liberals today, there are people out there saying that he bought their memberships (as well as a tape implying as much) and if that is against the party rules, then that is a massive red flag about the character of Ford. How can he stand up and say he is morally better than Wynne and Howrath if he has done something like this?

1) How many get $100,000,000+ PER month like CBC
2) I concede that, there are some, I think last election there were about 10 that would be called Conservative and 140 for the left ... and the Fed Libs just interceded to cancel the investigation with 7 found guilty that were about to loose their charity status.... but won't now.
3) I concede that, now and again there have been some.... but CBC and the left as so much better at it, the right media usually says look at this and shows you, the left shows nothing and says think this.
4) He has a way, Ontarians that voted for Wynne last time don't want to hear it and are stupid enough to believe Wynne again so why tell the truth. They are like an obese patient the doctor says to exercise and eat right for the next 4 years and you may live for 10 more and some stranger says eat drink and be merry ..... RIP.
5) Agreed, but I can't figure out just how stupid the lefties are that they like more taxes, higher electricity, higher gas etc. all things that hurt the low and middle income earners... *Note 1
https://globalnews.ca/news/3115346/h...rates-ontario/
6) Yeah... they have no worries they are wearing masks and the left are out doing things setting fires when a gay conservative goes to speak at a University etc. and here in Canada they the same essentially and can assault female reporters with impunity.


Alt groups are generally idiots, no argument there but only one in Canada seems to get government protection. If I got some morons together and marched with a Nazi flag I would be roasted (deservedly) but if I for those same idiots together and put up a Communist Flag and marched they will be fine with it, probably even finding a way to make it sound admirable! It happens all the time,even though Communism has killed far more and created far more oppression than Nazi's were ever responsible for.... National Socialist..... Communist... ideologies of the hate filled and distorted personality!

Grill him good, you can watch the video, they are asking him about something that was dismissed over 2 years ago and we can see that conveniently left out and ignored by the media.... the Left are desperate, they lie and if you see what the Fed's are doing, they are trying to change the election rules in their favour.... but I guess an admirer of dictators and tyrants that is fitting behaviour. For the left though the "reporters" seem to have a script written for them.

The left is OK with the record of the Libs and NDP which is atrocious! Gas plant coverup, eHealth, spending, "Cooked accounting books" and the growing deficit... which comes with increased interest payments... a quick mention and then nothing to see here, move on.


Just as a reminder, here is the Ontario Lib summary...
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...Issues-Summary

It does include things like:

• the companies leaving Ontario **Note 2
• and the thousands that were having their power turned off until the media started paying attention ** Note 3
• and does mention the gas prices ** Note 4
• and much more like Pan AM, 61% Distillery tax.....

but that doesn't include things like the Pelee Island Ferry contract going to Chile when there is a company 30 miles away in Ontario etc.
http://windsorstar.com/news/ministry...ferry-in-chile


* Note 1
Almost 213,000 Hydro One customers spent 10 per cent or more of their disposable household income on electricity bills in 2015, according to data obtained exclusively by Global News.
And for more than 37,000 Ontarians, nearly 30 per cent of their income went to paying for electricity.

** Note 2 - Example Green Houses, $200,000,000 move
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...ohio-1.2917918

** Note 3
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...g-over-bribery

*** Note 4.... Record prices (Even though gas is at 1/2 what it was in the past.)...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...ices-1.4644750



Career politicians have got us where we are ..... GO DOUG!!!!!

I like how Hazel puts it...
https://www.facebook.com/FordNationD...6143095839981/

[Dythbringer]

Dyth the reality is neither the Liberals or the NDP have proven they are not competent with or without a platform. I am willing to give Doug Ford a chance even if he only accomplishes small financial wins such as job creation in the manufacturing sector, firing the CEO of Hydro and uncovering the cooked book fiasco. Doug Ford doesn't need a shovel to dig this province out of this mess that the Liberals have created but a effin Backhoe !

I am sick and tired of career politicians telling us how to run this province like Wynn, Horvath, Elliot and Vic Viagra. It's time a for a businessman or women to run this province and kick these career politicians in the *ss and clean this huge mess up created by these career politicians or snake oil salesmen.

My point about Ford not releasing a platform was never about the Liberals or NDP, it was this: Doug Ford has not issued a platform yet and as a non-affliated voter in Ontario until he does, he will not get my support. I will bet you any money that if he wasn't a front runner, he would have had a platform out within the first week and would be defending it. I will not swallow the blue koolaid like a lot of people just because he isn't the other two, I want answers so I can make an informed decision. I want better than a party leader who thinks they don't have to issue a platform.

I agree that the Liberals and NDP shouldn't be running this province either but I will give them a bit of credit, they have laid out their platforms for criticism. Ford has not. I won't vote for them but Ford won't get my support until he informs the electorate of his plans. He has stated that he will bring out his platform before the campaign is over. Advance polls open on Saturday, I don't think he will lay out his platform by tomorrow.

If you think you are going to get a financial windfall from the firing of the CEO of Hydro One, I think you underestimate how much of your bill goes towards that person's salary (I thought I had heard somewhere it was in the neighbourhood of 50 cents per bill). Giving out a plan to actually give all the people a substantial reduction in the cost of electricity and the transmission of said electricity, that is something Ford should be giving in a platform, not on sound bytes that can be easily ignored. I agree with you that the next Premier will need a backhoe to get us out of the mess we created (yes I said we because we elected this government no matter which way you personally voted). To say this the Liberals did this by themselves is ignoring the fact that governments are elected in. The electorate voted them in and we got what we voted for.

I understand being sick and tired of career politicians. I am as well. Career politicians don't seem to respect the fact the taxpayer is footing the bill. However, going the other way with a rookie MP, and let's face it, that is what Ford is if he gets elected, who doesn't want to tell me how he wants to turn Ontario around as Premier isn't a great choice either.

Dyth

[73hunter]

He CANT release his platform because the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people on the public payroll will oppose it. The sad fact is that there are too many people on the government tit in this province, and the only way out is to cut it back.

You’re right Dyth, the morally correct thing to do would be to put the platform out there for all to see. Hudak style. Didn’t work so well.

[terrym]

An endorsement by Hurricane Hazel is huge. Any leader would kill for her support.

[trimmer21]

So,am I correct that most here think Doug Ford will be elected by NOT stating his party platform? Getting elected by a landslide without committing to anything that can be "spun" by the left is an interesting concept,for sure,and an exercise in sheer brilliance if it works. It would also be a testament to the fact that Ontarians have seen through the Liberal/NDP campaign bull (finally) and are ready for radical change for accountability.

[yellow dog]

An endorsement by Hurricane Hazel is huge. Any leader would kill for her support.

Amen to that brother !