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July 13th, 2018, 07:57 PM
#31

Originally Posted by
jaycee
However, a Summary is ;
sum·ma·ry
ˈsəmərē/Submit
noun
1.
a brief statement or account of the main points of something.
in this case it is the summary of the main points of the law as it pertains to hunting and the regulations .
Fine,have it your way if you're so inclined to argue silly points. Look,just get yourself in Court and tell the Judge "I read it in the summary" and see what happens. Then,get your wallet out.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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July 13th, 2018 07:57 PM
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July 14th, 2018, 10:30 AM
#32

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
Fine,have it your way if you're so inclined to argue silly points. Look,just get yourself in Court and tell the Judge "I read it in the summary" and see what happens. Then,get your wallet out.
I have always stayed on the " legal side " of things so I will never have to explain anything to a judge!
Been there , done that as a deputy CO for 8 years , [as a witness for the MNR'S side of issues. ]
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July 14th, 2018, 11:18 AM
#33

Originally Posted by
jaycee
Does it not mean that it "Is The Summary of The Law and Regulations " ! as this is what the CO,s go by for quick reference when they point out a violation.

Originally Posted by
jaycee
I have always stayed on the " legal side " of things so I will never have to explain anything to a judge!
Been there , done that as a deputy CO for 8 years , [as a witness for the MNR'S side of issues. ]
Thank you for your volunteer service. As a former LEO (OPP),I know that every bit of citizen assistance,especially, DCO or OPP Auxiliary,is invaluable. In fact,a tremendous amount of patrol and investigative work couldn't be done in a timely manner without them. It's a mistake,though,to assert that CO's use The Summary to establish which violations to enforce. Every one of the CO's I knew could cite The FWCAct verbatim. They didn't rely on The Summary for anything other than to point out the obvious to violators.
Last edited by trimmer21; July 14th, 2018 at 11:21 AM.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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July 14th, 2018, 01:37 PM
#34

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
Thank you for your volunteer service. As a former LEO (OPP),I know that every bit of citizen assistance,especially, DCO or OPP Auxiliary,is invaluable. In fact,a tremendous amount of patrol and investigative work couldn't be done in a timely manner without them. It's a mistake,though,to assert that CO's use The Summary to establish which violations to enforce. Every one of the CO's I knew could cite The FWCAct verbatim. They didn't rely on The Summary for anything other than to point out the obvious to violators.
" Your Honour ! the accused cannot plead that they did not know the law , as with a little reading it can be seen in black and white what the law is in the Hunting Regulations Summary.
We then charge them under the appropriate act , such as the FISH and Game Act, [now The FWC Act]] Or the Migratory Bird Conventions Act . "
This is a quote as I remember from several years ago.
This is why the reference is made with relationship to the Summary!
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July 14th, 2018, 01:53 PM
#35

Originally Posted by
jaycee
" Your Honour ! the accused cannot plead that they did not know the law , as with a little reading it can be seen in black and white what the law is in the Hunting Regulations Summary.
We then charge them under the appropriate act , such as the FISH and Game Act, [now The FWC Act]] Or the Migratory Bird Conventions Act . "
This is a quote as I remember from several years ago.
This is why the reference is made with relationship to the Summary!
Yep,the Judge would get a giggle from that defense because ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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July 15th, 2018, 08:13 AM
#36

Originally Posted by
Deer Wrastler
I know a couple hunters who carry a .22 pistol with them while hunting incase they need to dispatch an animal they shot and are just trying to end it quicker instead of letting it bleed out in agony
Why do they need a .22 pistol to prevent the animal they've already shot with another gun from "bleed(ing) out in agony" when they have a gun already?
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July 15th, 2018, 02:10 PM
#37

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
Why do they need a .22 pistol to prevent the animal they've already shot with another gun from "bleed(ing) out in agony" when they have a gun already?
Cheaper, other than that there is no reason , if they get caught, they will definitely pay the price .
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July 15th, 2018, 04:11 PM
#38

Originally Posted by
jaycee
When Kelso Roberts, a P.C . was attorney gen. also a handgunner member of the Toronto Club, he granted all handgunners in Ontario who were members in good standing in their club, had a permit to carry and a valid hunting license, "the Privilege to Hunt with a handgun."
Back then, 2 moose and 3 deer had fallen to my 44 mag. revolver, It was quite the experience , I also used to hunt ground hogs with it , and have shot a few sitting jacks with my .357 S& W . Wish those days could be brought back.
I think there are a couple of other members here on this forum that remember fondly those days.
Lucky you. I would love to hunt Deer with my .44 mag, that would be a great experience.
"Only dead fish go with the flow."
Proud Member: CCFR, CSSA, OFAH, NFA.
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July 15th, 2018, 07:28 PM
#39

Originally Posted by
welsh
Remember that the regulations summary is not the law, or the regulations.
I'm not sure if this is actually in the FWCA itself.
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Why would it be written exactly as shown below and not be in the act.
"Firearms include rif les, shotguns, muzzle-loading guns, air or
pellet g uns, bows and crossbows. You may use semi-automatic or
repeating firearms for hunting in Ontario, but not handguns that are
restricted or prohibited firearms or fully automatic firearms. Air
and pellet pistols with a muzzle velocity less than 152 metres (500
feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario (see
restrictions on page 24). "
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July 15th, 2018, 07:54 PM
#40

Originally Posted by
Fox
Why would it be written exactly as shown below and not be in the act.
The point is that the summary is not the law. This is a fact. So why risk an expensive court date? Look at the law itself.
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