Gun Ban Ruled Out!

[Badenoch]

Please explain just what is “an assault style rifle”...???

A civilian firearm with all the features of a modern military rifle except for full auto. I used the term to prevent the ridiculous hair splitting over the precise term for "assault rifle." IMO, an AR15 is an assault rifle whether it has full auto or not.

[trimmer21]

Perhaps if there are some current or retired LEO's in the forum they might weigh in on how they are instructed to deal with situation where a firearm is in doubt. I have a feeling if there is a fully automatic rifle in the mix, It's a situation which requires them to put in a call to SWAT. The Montreal massacre is a case in point, I've been given to understand, that uncertain of what they were facing, law enforcer apparently delay intervening, until late in the afternoon, the last shot having been fired around 10 a.m.. However, what it seems to have fostered was the development of SWAT idea here in Canada.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

Here's one former LEO that stared down the business end of a firearm,twice. I'll guarantee that the type of firearm didn't enter the equation one iota. It tends to rivet one's attention to detail,in a heartbeat. It only takes one shot to ruin your day and it doesn't matter a hill of beans if it's a piddly little .22 or an AR. That argument is useless...........and foolish. Everything is predicated on the individual's intention and state of mind at the time who happens to be holding the firearm,never the firearm,itself.

[rick_iles]

A civilian firearm with all the features of a modern military rifle except for full auto. I used the term to prevent the ridiculous hair splitting over the precise term for "assault rifle." IMO, an AR15 is an assault rifle whether it has full auto or not.

You are aware that most modern sporting rifles began from military applications...... right !

[Big Jack]

You are aware that most modern sporting rifles began from military applications...... right !

Along with almost every cartridge ever made.

[Big Jack]

A civilian firearm with all the features of a modern military rifle except for full auto. I used the term to prevent the ridiculous hair splitting over the precise term for "assault rifle." IMO, an AR15 is an assault rifle whether it has full auto or not.

What features specifically?

Have you ever shot one?

Full auto and semi are two very different things. Five shot clip and 30 round mag are also two very different things.

I personally would consider a fellow carrying a simple 18” barrel pump 12ga and buckshot with mal intent to be a heck of a lot more dangerous than a guy carrying a non restricted semi.

Or for that matter a fellow with a simple 22 and subsonic ammo with a bit of shooting talent.

Visual perception should not be confused with lethality.

It’s the person or criminal behind the gun that’s the problem.

[jaycee]

You are aware that most modern sporting rifles began from military applications...... right !

Carlos Hathcock ! U.S. Marine Sniper, [of one shot one kill fame] with 93 confirmed kills, his rifle and caliber of choice was , a Winchester model 70 in 30/06 cal., with a 8x Unertl scope.
I have 3 model 70's , does that mean that I own an assault rifle , to use for my hunting endeavours ?

[welsh]

The definition of "assault rifle" is uncontroversial, except among people trying to drag the discussion in the direction of futile wrangling.

Recent events in New Zealand stand as a warning that this strategy will no longer be productive. We are likely simply to see a move to regulate semi-automatic rifles in general.

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[canadaman30]

Carlos Hathcock ! U.S. Marine Sniper, [of one shot one kill fame] with 93 confirmed kills, his rifle and caliber of choice was , a Winchester model 70 in 30/06 cal., with a 8x Unertl scope.
I have 3 model 70's , does that mean that I own an assault rifle , to use for my hunting endeavours ?

Do they have friendly wood stocks or scary black tupperware stocks. It makes all the difference to a coward....bahahaha.

[Gun Nut]

What features specifically?

Have you ever shot one?

Full auto and semi are two very different things. Five shot clip and 30 round mag are also two very different things.

I personally would consider a fellow carrying a simple 18” barrel pump 12ga and buckshot with mal intent to be a heck of a lot more dangerous than a guy carrying a non restricted semi.

Or for that matter a fellow with a simple 22 and subsonic ammo with a bit of shooting talent.

Visual perception should not be confused with lethality.

It’s the person or criminal behind the gun that’s the problem.

I once responded on a forum to a guy who couldn’t figure out how a group of older veterans policing a town, armed with shotguns and bolt action SMLE’s were able to fend off a group of terrorists using AK 47. He seem to be happy with my response. I point out that firstly they were veterans who were taught to isolate their target and shoot accurately, while their adversaries were content to spray their ammunition around hoping for a hit. For close in work I point out that shotguns with a broad spread of buckshot cover considerably more area in one blast than individual rifle bullets which have to be focused in on their target.
Fire powder is certainly a consideration in an assault, the English apparently took advantage of it in their assault on the City of Quebec. On the Plains of Abraham they were apparently order to load their old brown Bess’s with two balls as oppose to one (effectively doubling their fire power) in order to meet the charge of the French. It appeared to have worked, their initial volley apparent pretty much decimated the ranks of their on coming foe.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

[MikePal]

Here I thought I'd be safe from scrutiny with my Black Powder Guns..