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June 26th, 2019, 06:47 PM
#91
The ATT changes in C-71 affect only transport to/from gunsmith, gun show, gun shop, and border point.
It's utterly senseless, as it was designed not to affect 99% of transportation (to/from range) ... so why?
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June 26th, 2019 06:47 PM
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June 26th, 2019, 07:41 PM
#92

Originally Posted by
trky chsr
So the CFO no longer issues ATT's or the ATT automatically allows transport to and from your range? Not trying to be argumentative I'm just trying to wrap my head around all of this. TC
Bill C-42 changed all that, your ATT is now incorporated in your PAL, if you have one for Restricted Firearms.
I should add that to get an ATT endorsement on your PAL, you have to be a member , active and in good standing of a handgun club, follow the clubs rules, the club then applies on your behalf for the ATT part of yoUr PAL.
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June 26th, 2019, 09:12 PM
#93

Originally Posted by
welsh
Fact: C-71 does not allow a CFO discretion re ATTs for transport to a range.
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I just looked up the actual legislation, not CBC or Gunblog, I see that the amendment did not reverse the gun range part, as long as you are in the same province. I was under the impression that this would be reversing as well, so did the people dealing with the old ATT system at our club, I have not been able to get out since it "passed", even though I do not think it has been put in place yet, not sure of timing.
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June 26th, 2019, 09:13 PM
#94

Originally Posted by
jaycee
Bill C-42 changed all that, your ATT is now incorporated in your PAL, if you have one for Restricted Firearms.
You do have to own a restricted gun though, an ATT does not end up on your RPAL automatically. It may seem weird but you can have an RPAL without having a restricted and you can borrow one for use at the range but you cannot bring it to and from the range, I asked about that specifically.
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June 26th, 2019, 09:19 PM
#95

Originally Posted by
Fox
I was under the impression that this would be reversing as well....
The Libs initially made noises about repealing C-42 but they stopped well short of that.
The restriction re home province is from C-42 & is because CFO is provincial.
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June 26th, 2019, 10:12 PM
#96

Originally Posted by
jaycee
Bill C-42 changed all that, your ATT is now incorporated in your PAL, if you have one for Restricted Firearms.
I am aware of that I was questioning this post from Welsh "Fact: C-71 does not allow a CFO discretion re ATTs for transport to a range." TC
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June 27th, 2019, 11:00 AM
#97
Bill C-42 changed all that, your ATT is now incorporated in your PAL, if you have one for Restricted Firearms.
I should add that to get an ATT endorsement on your PAL, you have to be a member , active and in good standing of a handgun club, follow the clubs rules, the club then applies on your behalf for the ATT part of yoUr PAL.
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June 27th, 2019, 11:04 AM
#98

Originally Posted by
trky chsr
I am aware of that I was questioning this post from Welsh "Fact: C-71 does not allow a CFO discretion re ATTs for transport to a range." TC
At one time the CFO, did have that discretion, about 10 -12 years ago when a retired OPP was placed into the position of CFO [ he was against handguns ], but was removed from that position due to many complaints about his actions and authority.
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June 27th, 2019, 12:48 PM
#99

Originally Posted by
jaycee
At one time the CFO, did have that discretion, about 10 -12 years ago when a retired OPP was placed into the position of CFO [ he was against handguns ], but was removed from that position due to many complaints about his actions and authority.
Ontario is still a tough one, apparently transfers take a lot longer here than do in other parts of the country, then again I have never had any personal issues with the CFO in Ontario, not as active as most though either.
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June 27th, 2019, 07:18 PM
#100

Originally Posted by
jaycee
Bill C-42 changed all that, your ATT is now incorporated in your PAL, if you have one for Restricted Firearms.
I should add that to get an ATT endorsement on your PAL, you have to be a member , active and in good standing of a handgun club, follow the clubs rules, the club then applies on your behalf for the ATT part of yoUr PAL.
Not true. I work in the "business" and we transfer guns all the time. In Ontario the RCMP is satisfied if you just say the person plans to join club X. When they get their new PAL (for a first time restricted purchase) it will have the ATT endorsement on it whether they actually joined a club or not. I've had to update numerous PAL's in our system so I know. TC