Single use plastics in ammunition

[MikePal]

Why should I keep my yard clean? The big house down the road doesn't keep their yard clean.

No it's "Why should I mount the ever suffering attack on my dandelions when the guy next store lets his go to seed every year"... if it bothers you that much , cut his lawn for him HaHa....

[MikePal]

Regardless of anything quoted or written, a Texas-sized pile of floating garbage in the Pacific is a disgrace to humanity - and we’re all guilty

Some are more guilty that others:

Ground zero for complaints about the amount of plastic in the world’s oceans is the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. First identified in 1997, this floating collection of buoyant plastic debris comprises an estimated 79,000 tonnes of litter spread over 1.6 million square kilometres between California and Hawaii. Prevailing ocean currents keep adding to its size, while environmental groups keep adding to its reputation as a physical manifestation of our addiction to a throw-away plastic lifestyle. So what’s inside this great floating garbage dump?

According to a recent study of its contents in the open-source academic journal Scientific Reports, it’s not swizzle sticks or straws that are to blame for polluting the Pacific Ocean. Of the 1.1 million bits and 668 kg of plastic debris collected by the authors, 46 per cent of it was discarded fishing nets. A further substantial portion is related fishing industry items such as floats, ropes, baskets, traps and crates. And another 20 per cent is junk washed away from Japan’s shores during the 2011 tsunami. The report makes no mention of straws.

The vast bulk of floating plastic waste in the Pacific is the product of commercial fishing – primarily the Asian fishing industry. Another huge chunk arises from the aftermath of a massive natural disaster. Ottawa’s public consultation on watery plastic waste is full of factoids such as “one garbage truck full of plastics is dumped into the ocean every minute” that leave the impression plastic straws are to blame for the horrors of marine pollution; in fact the real culprits are industrial fishing fleets half-a-world away.

[kickingfrog]

You are absolutely clueless on this issue and it's maddening to see that from someone who as a great deal of knowledge to share here. There will be lots of miss steps on improving things but to be so dismissive of options that are being discussed is quite silly and foolish. Imagine looking like that in a discussion involving someone you call climate barbie.

[MikePal]

You are absolutely clueless on this issue

Every post I have made is substantiated by quoted facts by reputable sources...I'm well read on the topic so I think that it's you who, by being dismissive of these facts, put your side of the debate in peril.

If I ask 9/10 people who is "Climate Barbie" I will get a correct response. It might be a derogatory moniker, but it has stuck because it suits her. ie: did you know she used taxpayers money to buy a $115K Tesla for her government car ?

[dean.f]

This subject could be beaten to death all day long. There is no real solution, there are certain products that we as humans "need" and no matter where they come from they will have a cost to the environment.

I've made a personal choice to reduce my use of certain items to reduce the garbage that I produce. That being said, I've worked in heavy industry for a while and believe me, the garbage produced is absolutely disgusting.

I think as far as ammunition is concerned, if there was an alternative that wasn't excessively expensive both monetarily and environmentally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. That doesn't mean I would expect anybody else to be forced to.

Nobody really has the definitive answer.

[gbk]

Based on News Article from an European Newspaper,Word Wide Foundation recent study came up with data about Plastic pollution in the Mediterranean Sea: Every second 33800 plastic water bottles enter the Mediterranean Sea. Biggest areas polluted are the ones with heaviest Tourist activities:Venice,Barcelona,Tel Aviv,Marseilles,East coast of Turkey,.......200 million tourist a year in the Mediterranean Basin.Of all the generated plastic pollutants(24 MILLION tons a YEAR) 6.6 million goes to pollute the nature (land or sea).This practice is at highest magnitude in Turkey,Egypt and Italy.Some of this plastic in Turkey is actually coming from West European countries based on Garbage Importing-Recycling Businesses-they somewhat dump,not recycle.While fishing does more then its fair share of sea pollution-they found 20% of plastic pollutant in the Sea from fishing.The rest is from us.Never mind -they fish also for us...........

There is no reason to believe this is not the same World Wide-Pacific Ocean included.Yep-the Pacific is whole lot bigger,but the Coastal population is also as much larger.

Convenience,irresponsibility,lack of care for the nature,bad habits,bad public awareness,no other means available for consumers-just to name a few reasons.
Who benefits from pollution-who suffers from it-and who will pay the price ?would be the real question.

[kickingfrog]

Every post I have made is substantiated by quoted facts by reputable sources...I'm well read on the topic so I think that it's you who, by being dismissive of these facts, put your side of the debate in peril.

If I ask 9/10 people who is "Climate Barbie" I will get a correct response. It might be a derogatory moniker, but it has stuck because it suits her. ie: did you know she used taxpayers money to buy a $115K Tesla for her government car ?

"Every post" eh?

School yard names and claiming you're well read only works for presidents. Attack their actions. I am not going to defend a politician's spending line by line (They all are like pigs at the trough) but does a 115k car contrast that much with the norm? Maybe the norm is an issue but most politicians don't role in corollas. These are all away from the issue of trying to move forward and realize that things have to been done better than they have been done.

[MikePal]

To keep things in perspective;

As was posted earlier and worth repeating: "These groups believe that banning the use of plastic bags is more about appearances and idealism than about protecting the environment.

This video highlights the fault with the 'Political' nonsense so many are buying into, especially the single use plastic hysteria :

[MikePal]

The real problem in Canada is the lack of recycling...only about 10% of our recyclables are recycled in this country...compared to Germany that has almost 50% success rates in ensure that plastics get recycled.

"Something’s got to give – Canada needs to step up. We have been pushing the feds to come up with a strong national plan to deal with the 89 per cent of plastic not being recycled in Canada each year,” says Keith Brooks, program director at the Canadian group, Environmental Defence."

According to official statistics, 48.8 percent of that plastic waste was recycled in Germany. Germany achieves a score of 66 percent, and leads the worldwide list. Wales follows in second place with 64 percent and Singapore is in third with 61 percent. "

The problem is not the plastics themselves per-see...we NEED single use plastics to keep our food safe....but what we do with them after they're used. A far greater emphasis needs to be put on the need to recycle them and that should be our priority.

You know in Germany if you don't recycle your curbside garbage there are substantial fines..I believe, when I lived there, it was about $75 DM ($50 CDN) for each occurrence.

Let's see that work here in Canada HaHa....

[gbk]

This guy on the NP has few good points. Especially it was great his Starbucks sippy cup vs straw concern comparison.At the other hand he does not explain WHY we need that many plastic.He says-to protect our Oceans from plastic ,build dumps.How the humankind survived without plastic bags and plastic straws and plastic everywhere?Just 50 years ago ,when the modern -consumerism oriented society was in full growth mode,most of this was unheard of.There was no epical scale of food poisoning,and it was Ok to drink liquids from a glass,without straw .Just to name a few.

Lets make a point-i am not defending Trudeau's initiative here..........but condemning our lack of respect for the environment.
My wife came home from a store this morning.She bought groceries for her and me.Just part of our grocery needs,not enought even for a week.There were 4 plastic bags for-bulk sweet potato,bulk apple ,bulk bananas and bulk lemon.There was 1 hard plastic bag for yellow skinned potatoes and one with tomatoes,2 plastic hard tubs for sour cream and cottage cheese.One hard tub of cherry tomatoes. All this,for her and for me.Just for part of a week

Most of this groceries CAN NOT be bought any other way in any kind of Big Box store/Grocery store-and slowly even Farmers markets go down this road.
The answer is not-Sending Well Funded teams of Canadians to build Dumps,but to REDUCE plastic use,to the level we were 50 years ago ,and we were doing quite well.