I just don't think it will make any real dent in the Wolf numbers in the WMU's up north. Yes I know that if there was no limit, and you, I and others were knocking down 80% every year they would just have more pups. But the new pups would not be experienced moose killers. You look at the success rate of a small pack of experienced wolves VS the success rate of a large but Inexperienced pack and tell me which is lower.Originally Posted by rick_iles
Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.
Hopefully this proves to be a step in the right direction. Personally I would be fine with them completely abolishing the calf tags, but it sounds like there will less opportunity to target calves, and they will be managed more than in the past.
Overall it sounds like this may end up costing the gov more than the current way of doing things. That said, we haven't seen the cost of the adult tags yet, but it sounds like more resources will be required to administrate the revised system, and there will be less revenue generated from the application process. Either way it's refreshing to see something being done.
I'm happy to see this point system on the draw. Which translates to - I may actually get a tag in my lifetime! Maybe even 2 or 3 if I live long enough.
Things that fly turn me on
They are not selling licenses without a tag right now, they are letting everybody shoot a calf, which infuriates me, this is not how you bring back a population.
The nominal fee to enter the draw will probably increase revenues, the number of guys who stopped buying licenses at $45 a shot will no doubt go back to buying a draw application for $10-15, the revenue generated from the draw system will outweigh the loss from the people not buying licenses.
Every decision any gov't makes ensures that, they the gov't, get their piece of the pie. Follow the money and you'll see where this is going. The MNR should not be politically directed. Only then can the MNR begin to manage for the resource. First and foremost it should be about the moose! Not about licence sales, not about spin off cash, not about sustenance rights, etc etc. The welfare of the moose should be the only factor. This new proposal still allows for cows to be shot and calves to be orphaned for future wolf predation. Moose are also being eradicated/sacrificed in 5 or 6 units in an effort to help the caribou. Meanwhile the Michopicoten Island mismanagement is only 1 yr. old. We've been hoodwinked for so fricken long how the hell can you trust anything coming from the MNR that always seems to have hidden agendas.
Put a bounty on wolves province wide, increase bear to 2 tags per licence, and stop cow/calf hunt for 3 years.
I guess this is too simple for them to comprehend!
They're answer is workshops, EBR's, and micromanaging the systems they implemented that they said would work years ago when we got the current system. WTF? WTF?
This new system will be the greatest ever devised...and every year there will be tweaks and micromanagement until they dream up something else. History does repeat itself!
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This is from TB News Watch
Province proposing changes to moose hunt
Proposed changes include a point system for the allocation of moose tags in the province.
by: Doug Diaczuk
THUNDER BAY - The Ontario government is looking for feedback from hunters and the public on proposed changes to how the moose population is managed in the province.
The new proposals, which were developed last spring with recommendations by the Big Game Management Advisory Committee, are now open to public feedback on the Environmental Registry of Ontario.
Some of the new proposals for 2020 include interim calf quotas in wildlife management units in Northeastern and Southern Ontario, as well as creating early bow-specific seasons and quotas with an open moose hunting season where they don’t currently exist.
This will include creating separate tag quotas for bow and gun tags in Northeastern wildlife management units.
Proposals for 2021 include modernizing the province’s selective harvest approach to improve quota by moving to selective harvest by bull tags/cow/calf tags, and calf tags.
The moose hunting license will also no longer come with a tag in order to allow applicants who were unsuccessful or did not apply for a tag to party hunt on another individual’s tag.
The moose tag draw would also be replaced with a new point system, where hunters will apply for the moose tag allocation process with a fee. The group application component would also be eliminated and each hunter would apply for a tag allocation by themselves.
Hunters will be allocated tags based on the number of preference point a hunter has accumulated. Points can be received each year a hunter has applied and been unsuccessful, a hunter’s draw history would be used to determine how many points they have, the northern resident draw would be eliminated.
Hunters with the most points will receive the available tags for the wildlife management units and once a hunter receives a tag, all points will be forfeited. Hunters do have the choice to not claim a tag if they have been allocated and keep their points.
This will be a two-stage process, including a primary allocation and a second change allocation.
"We are listening to moose hunters across the province, and our proposal is designed to work for the hunting community," said Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry John Yakabuski in a release. "I encourage Ontario's hunters to review the proposal and consider its implications on moose populations and future hunting opportunities. I would like to thank BGMAC and the committee's Chair, John Kaplanis, for their dedication and insight on strengthening moose management in Ontario."
Feedback on the proposals is being accepted until Sept. 26, 2019.
Guns have two enemies................rust and government
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Youbetcha! Money talks. Everything else walks.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
I don’t consider a calf tag ..... but we may have to !
We have to.
If you consider that approximately half of those calves shot are female it really does not look too good on the population. On top of that we have not had mandatory reporting or check stations, so we have no idea how many calves have been shot.
We need check stations, get rid of cow and calf hunting (in most WMUs) and get this stuff figured out before it is too late.
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