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September 12th, 2019, 06:20 PM
#31

Originally Posted by
kickingfrog
Sourcing products closer means less carbon used. Less carbon used = less tax paid. Not claiming it's easy or a kick in the pants for some that can't/won't use less carbon but that's the point. There is a cost.
Then say goodbye to fresh fruits and Vegetables for 8 to 10 months of the year.
Better not throw out those old shoes or clothes, better find a cobbler and a seamstress to repair them. Start walking, or riding a bike..
Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.
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September 12th, 2019 06:20 PM
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September 12th, 2019, 06:35 PM
#32

Originally Posted by
fishermccann
No it is not, it is behind the Prov. Cons. saying the selling of the 407 to a Spanish company would be good for Ontarian s.
Even if a lousy deal at least the province received 3+ Billion for it. Additionally nobody forces anyone to drive the 407 - it is solely the choice of the individual/company. The carbon tax on the other hand is essentially unavoidable. Every tank of fuel and every product or service you purchase in this country has seen some incremental cost increase due to this tax. Some products and services are more affected than others but don't kid yourself - every single thing in this country is produced using fossil fuel somewhere along the line and all cost increases are/will be passed on to the consumer. If it could be shown that the tax would actually make a difference with regard to protecting the environment/climate than as long as the cost is reasonable I am not against it in principle. Unfortunately from what i see they are just throwing crap at the wall and hoping some will stick under the guise of saving planet earth while they conveniently line the federal coffers with another half baked tax idea.
Last edited by Species8472; September 12th, 2019 at 06:39 PM.
The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
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September 12th, 2019, 06:43 PM
#33
The tax is working. It’s getting colder outside. Yippee we are saved.
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September 12th, 2019, 06:47 PM
#34

Originally Posted by
kickingfrog
Sourcing products closer means less carbon used. Less carbon used = less tax paid. Not claiming it's easy or a kick in the pants for some that can't/won't use less carbon but that's the point. There is a cost.
How much carbon from the construction equipment alone will be accumulated by expanding the oil pipeline in Alberta...... On top of that they plan on getting 890,000 barrels per day of oil.... That is going to be a lot more carbon (fossil fuels) getting into our planet earth. So not sure how a carbon tax on our fossil fuel consumption helps when the Federal Government is building that pipeline. Seems pretty hypocritical (self serving) if you ask me.
"Everything is easy when you know how"
"Meat is not grown in stores"
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September 12th, 2019, 06:48 PM
#35

Originally Posted by
Snowwalker
Then say goodbye to fresh fruits and Vegetables for 8 to 10 months of the year.
Better not throw out those old shoes or clothes, better find a cobbler and a seamstress to repair them. Start walking, or riding a bike..
Why? Where are they going? Don't tell me the tax is going to eliminate my exotic fruits and veg.
Make sure you have finished speaking before your audience has finished listening.
Dorothy Sarnoff
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September 12th, 2019, 06:57 PM
#36

Originally Posted by
kickingfrog
Why? Where are they going? Don't tell me the tax is going to eliminate my exotic fruits and veg.
No, just your ability to afford them.
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September 12th, 2019, 06:59 PM
#37

Originally Posted by
kickingfrog
Why? Where are they going? Don't tell me the tax is going to eliminate my exotic fruits and veg.
Well you can still have them..IF your willing to pay $10 a pound for grapes, iceberg lettuce going up to $5 or $6 a head. The cost of transporting it is going through the roof, and the cost of cold storage for local grown produce like potatoes, apples etc is going up as well. Read the packaging on stuff next time your shopping. Very little is grown in Ontario or even Canada.
Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.
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September 12th, 2019, 07:50 PM
#38
Seriously? You mean my kiwis aren't from Wawa? I hate "defending" a government and I hate "defending" a tax but at least read what the economists and scientist (but not the ones paid by oil companies) have to say about carbon taxes.
Make sure you have finished speaking before your audience has finished listening.
Dorothy Sarnoff
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September 13th, 2019, 06:42 AM
#39

Originally Posted by
kickingfrog
Seriously? You mean my kiwis aren't from Wawa? I hate "defending" a government and I hate "defending" a tax but at least read what the economists and scientist (but not the ones paid by oil companies) have to say about carbon taxes.
Look at the prices in your store, look at what has happened to the cost of essentials in the last few years. It is getting too expensive to live.
Get this, I went to high efficiency propane for my home heating (sorry it is Canada, I have to heat my home). I am now charged an increased fee due to the increased cost of delivery plus the carbon tax and then on top of it they put the HST on top of the delivery fee and the carbon tax, that is tax on tax on tax.
I really do not give a S**T what the economists and politicians say about it, they don't have to live a middle class life in Ontario. Oh, the scientists, they have no clue what real money is and how it is effected, no idea.
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September 13th, 2019, 08:10 AM
#40

Originally Posted by
Fox
I really do not give a S**T what the economists and politicians say about it, they don't have to live a middle class life in Ontario. Oh, the scientists, they have no clue what real money is and how it is effected, no idea.
To make matters worse,they're such foaming-at-the-mouth idealogues,they don't give a shyte what the rest of us mere peons think,either.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....