What if You Were Warden?: Investigating Deer Hunters

[jaycee]

I saw that show and I think the guy got a huge break. The grunt call around his neck would have sealed the deal for me. He was definitely party hunting.

Same opinion here, he was lucky to get off with just a warning!

[benjhind]

anyone here ever shoot a rabbit with a slug?
the sick part of me is semi-curious of what would be left...

I once went for a morning hunt on the last day of muzzleloader season. I got up from my spot at the end of my hunt and started down the field edge. It was my last hunt of the year so I needed to discharge the muzzleloader, which I planned to do once I got away from the bush. A cottontail happened to skip up ahead of me. It only went 20 yards or so and froze. The 45 cal slug neatly carved a semicircle out of the top of its head, leaving both ears intact.

[toddy]

Glad I logged on today to read this thread.

Re - the video - the crime hadn't been committed yet . . . no charges.

[jaycee]

Glad I logged on today to read this thread.

Re - the video - the crime hadn't been committed yet . . . no charges.

According to our def. of hunting as per regulations, , He would have been charged.

[toddy]

According to our def. of hunting as per regulations, , He would have been charged.

with what?

[FishHog]

with what?

agreed, in Ontario I don't think he would have been charged with anything as he could be party hunting with his buddy. Where he was he should have been

[jaycee]

with what?

Hunting Deer, without a license.
It's called "prima facie " evidence, which has been used in charges many times .
In his case, slug in gun as first shot, grunt tube around his neck, this is not the way to hunt birds.
If he was party hunting , he still would have had to produce his Deer License, obviously he did not have it, and there is no party hunting in the U.S.

"Prima facie is defined as something that has been proven or assumed to be true unless there is evidence presented to the contrary. "

[gbk]

To add to the debate above-the guy was having a semi.He had in the pipe a slug,then a bird shot.That what the game warded states.
This seals the deal-no one bird hunts with slugs( making a statement about it is quite clear).Forgetting it in would raise many questions about safe handling/transportation while dealing with the deer he shot earlier.
With grunt tube in his neck and slug in the pipe he is effectively deer hunting.To many things he forgot.
Now-Party hunting there is not OK.He got off easy.
In Ontario having both licences for small game and deer makes him party hunting for deer with his buddies(in the video there is no reference of him not harvesting deer legally- he had a licence for deer)and makes him small game hunting based on what he stated,and some of the ammo in his shotgun.
The monkey wrench in the gear box is a mixed ammo in his shotgun.

In Ontario :
He would be a special kind of small game hunter hunting birds with slug-but he would be legal.
He would be legal party hunting deer while with his buddies as well.

However:
He could have been charged for intending to hunt deer with non legal shot (as in his shotgun ).
I believe there is a difference in having a firearm loaded with (as he did)and having in his possession(birds shot in the pocket for the what if...).
The auto shotgun is the key -it is not built for selective shot opportunities,so having a bird shot as a second ammo makes him deer hunt with nonlegal ammo.

What is the fine in Ontario for that ??
Probably ,as someone mentioned earlier,this infraction in Ontario would be so negligible,he would get a verbal no-no,and maybe gone on his records,and he would walk.The issue is so small,likely it would be deemed as waste of resources to pursue it more.

If someone would chime in knowing what would be the fine,we could compare the"there"and "here" outcome.

[FishHog]

Hunting Deer, without a license.
It's called "prima facie " evidence, which has been used in charges many times .
In his case, slug in gun as first shot, grunt tube around his neck, this is not the way to hunt birds.
If he was party hunting , he still would have had to produce his Deer License, obviously he did not have it, and there is no party hunting in the U.S.

"Prima facie is defined as something that has been proven or assumed to be true unless there is evidence presented to the contrary. "

I disagree. Where he was he should have been charged.
If he was in Ontario, he would have been legal to party hunt for deer and so what if he had a couple bird shot in his gun. If he saw a bird, he could eject the slug and shoot the bird. Completely legal in Ontario

But he wasn't in Ontario, so he was breaking the party hunting laws. Someone said he would have been charged in Ontario and I don't see what he could be charged with since we allow party hunting.

[trimmer21]

To add to the debate above-the guy was having a semi.He had in the pipe a slug,then a bird shot.That what the game warded states.
This seals the deal-no one bird hunts with slugs( making a statement about it is quite clear).Forgetting it in would raise many questions about safe handling/transportation while dealing with the deer he shot earlier.
With grunt tube in his neck and slug in the pipe he is effectively deer hunting.To many things he forgot.
Now-Party hunting there is not OK.He got off easy.
In Ontario having both licences for small game and deer makes him party hunting for deer with his buddies(in the video there is no reference of him not harvesting deer legally- he had a licence for deer)and makes him small game hunting based on what he stated,and some of the ammo in his shotgun.
The monkey wrench in the gear box is a mixed ammo in his shotgun.

In Ontario :
He would be a special kind of small game hunter hunting birds with slug-but he would be legal.
He would be legal party hunting deer while with his buddies as well.

However:
He could have been charged for intending to hunt deer with non legal shot (as in his shotgun ).
I believe there is a difference in having a firearm loaded with (as he did)and having in his possession(birds shot in the pocket for the what if...).
The auto shotgun is the key -it is not built for selective shot opportunities,so having a bird shot as a second ammo makes him deer hunt with nonlegal ammo.

What is the fine in Ontario for that ??
Probably ,as someone mentioned earlier,this infraction in Ontario would be so negligible,he would get a verbal no-no,and maybe gone on his records,and he would walk.The issue is so small,likely it would be deemed as waste of resources to pursue it more.

If someone would chime in knowing what would be the fine,we could compare the"there"and "here" outcome.

FWCA Sect 75 "Use prohibited shot while hunting big game" should answer the question. The set fine is $300.