Hunting rifles and big game at distance

[canadaman30]

Hunters will not able to hit the target (that is not a problem ... )
The problem is that they will not hit the vitals ... and the game will run away and will be lost ...

Lots of hunters are more than capable of taking game ethically past 3-400yds as seen in the video. I just don't get it how some that cant shoot past such a distance believe nobody else is capable. The video proved that quite convincingly, there are lots of hunters that can shoot well past 3-400yds with excellent accuracy.

[oaknut]

I agree on the video.... not sure why it would be considered disturbing to those on an outdoor forum under a "hunting" header. The video escaped YouTube's gauntlet but can't make it here.

The high shoulder shot will definitely kill game, yourself and many others have posted the proof of it. It's all about the same, dead is dead. The old bread basket does offer a little more room for error.

There are lots of guys who can hammer out beyond 500 yards and there are lots who can't. More problems arise with those who have never practiced and take a hail Mary, that's where the ethics really come in. Even guys that can blast away on a bench are rather clueless about long range in the field as the conditions are far from superb most times.

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[sawbill]

What it doesn't show is that a lot of hunters can't shoot ethically at those distances. But that wasn't the reason the video was taken down.

[canadaman30]

What it doesn't show is that a lot of hunters can't shoot ethically at those distances. But that wasn't the reason the video was taken down.

It wasnt created to show how many hunters cant shoot ethically that far. It was created to show some hunters are very capable of taking game ethically at long range.

[GW11]

Its not faster killing an animal that runs after being hit through the lungs or heart. Having an animal drop stone dead from a CNS shot is the fastest way to kill game, the guys in the video demonstrate this with a few of the shots.

A high shoulder shot is not a CNS shot. It's a high lung clipping shot that breaks the shoulders and hits close enough to the spine to put an animal down on the spot while it's lungs fill up with blood. Taking out both lungs or the heart is faster.

Not too many animals in that video dropped stone dead either, and headshots are not a good idea at long range.

I do agree about leaving the video up though, this is a hunting forum after all.

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[canadaman30]

If you hit high enough on top of the shoulder it will shut down the cns and its lights out. You want even be in the chest cavity

[GW11]

If you hit high enough on top of the shoulder it will shut down the cns and its lights out. You want even be in the chest cavity

Not sure how many animals you've actually shot in the spine, but it doesn't shut down the CNS, it breaks the animal's back and leaves it dragging itself around with it's front legs. The further up the neck you go, the more likely it's lights out. I've shot deer and moose both in the spine with slugs, rifles and bows (again unintentionally) and been part of the recovery of a good deal more than those, and rarely does it result in a quick death unless the artery near the spine is severed. I've seen that only once with a rifle and once with a crossbow. The other times have all been messy kills.

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[canadaman30]

Not sure how many animals you've actually shot in the spine, but it doesn't shut down the CNS, it breaks the animal's back and leaves it dragging itself around with it's front legs. The further up the neck you go, the more likely it's lights out. I've shot deer and moose both in the spine with slugs, rifles and bows (again unintentionally) and been part of the recovery of a good deal more than those, and rarely does it result in a quick death unless the artery near the spine is severed. I've seen that only once with a rifle and once with a crossbow. The other times have all been messy kills.

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Enough to realize I don't shoot the chest anymore if I don't have to. I don't care for tracking game anymore and I feel its more ethical having them drop stone dead than watching them trot off.

[sawbill]

Not only is shooting at game over 1000 yards unethical, it's downright irresponsible.

[Bo D]

sawbill, you mentioned that wasn't the reason the video was taken down, what was the reason why it was taken down...