Hunting rifles and big game at distance

[oaknut]

We're on that "slippery slope" again,aren't we,trying to pick and choose what's "ethical" and what's not. Obviously,the aim of mountain hunting for those hunters is exactly the same as it is for us eastern Ontario swamp stompers....a quick,clean kill. We should never judge our fellow hunters just because they choose a different method. That's why we're such a divided lot and easy pickin's for the anti crowd.

I don't think that is so much the case here. You can research average groups at benchrest competitions for a light mod sporter group and make some reasonable deductions from there. In a flat environment with all the time in the world with known wind values 10" is an average group to place top 3. Add an inch for lack of known wind, 1" for no bench, 2" for up or downhill angles, 2" for rushed shots...... 20% of your group outside the kill zone are some pretty crap odds.

it's pretty obvious these guys are not in the heavy gun class as they aren't lugging 70 lbs of aluminum billet firearm up the hills.

The above coupled with the studies done saying that even the softest bullets will fail to properly expand after 800 yards with the RUM paints a clear picture to me.

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[sawbill]

The ethics comment was made when a video was posted about shooting at a range of over 1000 yards. Do you seriously believe that ethics is not a valid concern at these obscene distances?

[canadaman30]

The ethics comment was made when a video was posted about shooting at a range of over 1000 yards. Do you seriously believe that ethics is not a valid concern at these obscene distances?

Why hate on those that are capable. Is 700 an obscene distance for the highly skilled..lol

[oaknut]

Watch "Lack of Ethics with Long Range Hunters – The Real Gunsmith" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/NTp08rJauos

Anyone wanting to shoot at extreme distance or thinking it's a great idea should give this a watch. It's about as honest as it gets from an old timer who knows his scat.

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[canadaman30]

Tell that to the crew of gunwerks. Mike Davidson is young guy who has the skill to make it look easy. But according to your video Oaknut, gunwerks guns must not be built proper and Mike is far to young an inexperienced to be able to shoot at the distances he's shooting. Another attack towards skilled shooter and gunmakers because of their age....sad really

[Bo D]

The ethics comment was made when a video was posted about shooting at a range of over 1000 yards. Do you seriously believe that ethics is not a valid concern at these obscene distances?

For the guys that do it day in and day out no. Every animal in that video that was shot at was hit. All he did was post a video of some long range shooting. It was a video. If we're talking ethics or ethical, how about the guy that hasn't picked up a rifle in years or from the previous season, does not site in his rifle and goes afield. He's got his deer tag, is that what you would call ethical.

He's not condoning long range shooting, it was a video for us to watch. Do I condone what they were doing, it's not for me to say, but pulling the video is... Police tactics !

[duckslayer]

The ethics comment was made when a video was posted about shooting at a range of over 1000 yards. Do you seriously believe that ethics is not a valid concern at these obscene distances?

So as a moderator you are also the ethics police??? Was what they were doing in the video against the game laws?? If someone is offended by bow hunting videos or maybe graphic prairie dog videos are you going to pull them down as well?? This is a hunting forum and it was posted in one of the hunting sections of the forum??

In the wake of all the DU bashing OFAH posted up that what would be best for the hunting community in general is for less division/arguing and less generals resentment against fellow hunters hunting legally but here we have a mod on their HUNTING forum pulling down videos of legal hunting practices................


Looking like the administrator might have to moderate his moderators.............

[TroutSlayer]

Watch "Lack of Ethics with Long Range Hunters – The Real Gunsmith" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/NTp08rJauos

Anyone wanting to shoot at extreme distance or thinking it's a great idea should give this a watch. It's about as honest as it gets from an old timer who knows his scat.

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16 minutes long, but well worth watching!

[canadaman30]

Sounds like a jealous fudd who wants to attack younger gun makers and hunters that are much more capable of shooting accurately past 500yds. More of the same, if I cant do it and I'm old than nobody should be doing so because its unethical.

[jaycee]

16 minutes long, but well worth watching!

It was ??? interesting but, in over 60 years of hunting, shooting , reloading and doing tons of reading about "rifles , custom and factory built " I have never heard of Randy Selby.
He is assuming a lot in his statements about other builders /shooters.
Manufacturing processes have changed and improved considerably over the last several years.
How does he know that the newer builders have not researched their rifles to see what particular load shoots to that degree of accuracy required for those long range shots?
He has an opinion , that's fine but to condemn someone for doing what he cannot is blatantly wrong!
He is an older man with a lot of experience, I will give him that however as a person ages, breathing is harder to control, eyesight deteriorates and makes it much harder to shoot at looong range even with the best optics available.