Both sides of the debate - Should there be a spring bear hunt?

[onelessarrow]

Just to point out that that thread wasn't shut down because of a person's opinion. It was shut down because a few members got into personal attacks that had nothing to do with the topic.

You shut it down so that's fair for you to say that it escalated past your level of acceptance.
I'm referring to the numerous requests by other members for that particular individual to stop slandering hunters on a hunting forum. That had everything to do with the topic and the resulting aftermath.

[onelessarrow]

With such a high success rate in harvesting bears in the spring you would think they could easily show evidence of sow/ophraning cub violations. I cant find any evidence other then opinions.

[trimmer21]

With such a high success rate in harvesting bears in the spring you would think they could easily show evidence of sow/ophraning cub violations. I cant find any evidence other then opinions.

The success rate in the spring isn't really that high,I think someone posted,somewhere,that it was around 8%. Cubs being orphaned through hunting would be exceedingly low if it was in the equation,at all.

[skull]

The spring bear hunt shouldn’t never been canceled

[gbk]

... stop slandering hunters on a hunting forum.

I do not want to take sides in this debate -yet the first time i read the Forum rules was when i joined this great Forum(could be greater though...)many years ago.
Thru the bear hunting topic i was prompted to re-read the rules,and was contemplating should i ask how the rules apply to that thread.Especially Rules 2-3 .
I did not do it because i respect everyone's opinion,and does not really bother me if other hunters beat on each other(we are all adults,it takes a man to give,but it also takes a man to receive).
l also do understand the challenges and dilemmas the moderators face-i bet, it is not easy to do the moderators job.
At the other hand i was marveling what will take to shut the topic down(due of violating 2-3).

[onelessarrow]

The success rate in the spring isn't really that high,I think someone posted,somewhere,that it was around 8%. Cubs being orphaned through hunting would be exceedingly low if it was in the equation,at all.

8% is the estimated population harvest.
Pretty sure success rate is closer to 30% of the hunters, with spring accounting for 60% of the overall harvest.

[Snowwalker]

8% is the estimated population harvest.
Pretty sure success rate is closer to 30% of the hunters, with spring accounting for 60% of the overall harvest.

Well maybe we will see which number is closer to the truth. There is Mandatory reporting now right?

[onelessarrow]

Yep better accurate data will be a good thing. It's been science and facts that's allowed us to come this far.

[MikePal]

8% is the estimated population harvest.
Pretty sure success rate is closer to 30% of the hunters, with spring accounting for 60% of the overall harvest.

From the MNR:

Ont Bear population estimate: 85,000 to 105,000

Tags sold last year: 25,000
Estimated harvest: 5,000 and 6,000

That gives a hunter success rate of between 20% -25%

In terms of a cull...harvesting 5,000 bears is about 5% of the overal population.

That means the number of cubs that could be detrimentally affected would be negligible.

[Fox]

I chuckle when people discuss culls and spring hunts. If the idea is to remove a certain number of animals to reduce the population then hunting male only bears in the spring does a heck of a lot less than hunting sows in the fall. You are most likely killing "a while family" of bears by shooting a sow in the fall, she is most likely pregnant, not unlike shooting a any female big game animal in the fall in Ontario.