Gun ban talks back after a sad weekend in NS

[Bluebulldog]

One report i read said " That she rammed his car with hers, somehow he got out and dragged her out, shot her with her own gun , took it and the C-8 rifle that they are issued with ."

That one smells.

If the officer did so, she likely would have been ready. The element of surprise was hers.

If the suspect did so, they would have been able to capitalize on surprise / shock, confusion, and possible trust when the constable may have mistaken the fake cruiser and suspect in uniform for one of her colleagues.

[Gilroy]

You don't think the "rampage" might have ended with far less casualties if everyone in Nova Scotia was carrying a gun? I think it would have, but I'm sure I'm about to be told otherwise.

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Would you be so sure to fire your gun at a fully uniformed RCMP officer......opps you hesitated the bad guy just shot you.As you lying on the pavement bleeding to death your thinking,holly this guy was even in a police car.......

[Gilroy]

He said legalizing weed would stop the black market but it didn't even dent it. I don't know a single person who goes to the legal stores. The legal stores are double the black market prices and not as good of quality.

Yeh,yeh the Conservatives wringing their hands and pulling out their hair also said there would be reefer madness,kids would be going crazy,the sky would be falling.LOL

[Gilroy]

Last I heard legal Pot shops had garnered 20% of the Cannabis Market. Many investors lots a lot of money.

Government tax greed...I wonder which wonderchild suggested you could kill the black market by selling 'legal' pot at twice the price. HaHa..

I wonder what this post has to do with this thread?

[Gilroy]

Gilroy.

Arguing by assumption of position is a juvenile debate structure.

Making an assumption, and stating what a person is, or is not ok with, to bolster your position is fallacy.

I will state the following.

I am not ok with gun crime. The Federal Government's attempts, and mis-handling that particular file is what is at issue.

The stats I have cited were off, as I was familiar with Stats Cans 2013 figures, I was not aware that they re-did them in 2016, however link is attached.

Of all violent crime in 2016, 3% was committed with a firearm. In those cases, a third of the guns are recovered, and of those, only a third can be found the have been registerable, or able to be traced.

The RCMP has even admitted years ago that firearm related crimes are greatly inflated stats ( Mauser SFU 2013).

Yes. Gang related homicides are up. Yes, those predominate the crime stats for firearms.

The full picture is that our current firearms laws are working just fine. It is the other side of the equation where the smuggling, import, and black market of same is having the most detrimental impact on Canadian society.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...ers%5B0%5D=3.2

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../54962-eng.htm

We can play the stats game all night if you like

There were 266 firearm homicides in 2017, an increase of 43 from the prior year, Statistics Canada said Wednesday from Ottawa. The ratio of 0.72 events per 100,000 people climbed 18 percent last year. https://time.com/5461950/canada-homi...e-2017-climbs/

[canadaman30]

Fidel? Lol

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Very possible.

[greatwhite]

Nobody said that, I suspect 90% of people under 50 have smoked it, including me. But it did not stop the black market or even make a dent. In fact the government is the only drug pusher who has ever lost money. But then again budgets balance themselves. Is Trudeau's budget balanced last term?

Yeh,yeh the Conservatives wringing their hands and pulling out their hair also said there would be reefer madness,kids would be going crazy,the sky would be falling.LOL

[terrym]

Would you be so sure to fire your gun at a fully uniformed RCMP officer......opps you hesitated the bad guy just shot you.As you lying on the pavement bleeding to death your thinking,holly this guy was even in a police car.......

Exactly. This madman prepared his attack quite carefully and effectively. Even if I was an armed citizen I likely would have never shot at what looked like a cop. He may very well have taken guns from the officer he killed but he started his rampage with one of his own. There’s a reason that info is being hidden. If it was an AR15 it would be on every front page with the picture of a rifle that’s “not” an AR15.

[jaycee]

That one smells.

If the officer did so, she likely would have been ready. The element of surprise was hers.

If the suspect did so, they would have been able to capitalize on surprise / shock, confusion, and possible trust when the constable may have mistaken the fake cruiser and suspect in uniform for one of her colleagues.

Well! That newspaper got the info from somewhere, and it is a very "liberal " newspaper.

Found this on another site;

"At approximately 11:15 a.m., RCMP Constable Heidi Stevenson encountered Wortman oncoming on Route 2 in the community of Shubenacadie, and rammed her cruiser into his replica to stop it.^[15][26][27] Witnesses reported that Wortman exited his vehicle and shot into Stevenson's, killing her and injuring another officer.^[15][18][23] Both cars also caught fire, though accounts differ as to when and how.^[15][23] Wortman then stole a silver Chevrolet TrackerSUV from a nearby motorist, and was next seen continuing south along Highway 102 through Milford at 11:24 a.m"

"On the afternoon of April 20, Chief Superintendent Leather said there were 16 crime scenes, including five structure fires, over a distance of at least 50 kilometres (31 mi). He said he expected the death toll to rise as these crime scenes are investigated.^[27]Leather noted that Wortman's use of a police cruiser and wearing a police uniform allowed him to help evade detection for a long time. Owning police vehicles or uniforms is not a crime, but impersonating a police officer is.^[40][41] Leather also said that Wortman had no licence to own guns and that his weapons were illegally purchased, which will be investigated further."

[Bluebulldog]

We can play the stats game all night if you like

There were 266 firearm homicides in 2017, an increase of 43 from the prior year, Statistics Canada said Wednesday from Ottawa. The ratio of 0.72 events per 100,000 people climbed 18 percent last year. https://time.com/5461950/canada-homi...e-2017-climbs/

267 in 2017, 223 in 2016. That's an increase of 19%

I've attached the link to the actual stats. Not some editorial piece authored by someone trying to sell magazines.

Oh, and in 2018, it was 249 a drop of 7%.

Sure let's play the stats game shall we? Bring yours, with credible data.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=3510007201