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May 2nd, 2020, 08:52 AM
#21
Originally Posted by
Bluebulldog
Terry, I value our discussions. I do.
It is precisely the "What about drinking and driving" that I'm talking about. It's a poor position to argue from, and it devalues the gun debate when it's brought into it. We tend to pounce on deflection when an opposing viewpoint uses it for the same reasons.
One difference. The only similarity in guns and cars is that you need a license to operate them. The Canadian public regards automobile transport as an essential, to daily life. Gun ownership is not regarded as such. And unless you're in James Bay, hunting for sustenance, the argument falls flat on its face based on that premise. The racist double standard of allowing First Nations to still own them is indefensible. If licensed owners don’t need them to hunt neither do the FN. in fact that demographic would never pass FAC scrutiny in many cases.
This is what I'm saying.....same old arguments.....same old outcomes.
Valid points but, the reasoning from the gun grabbers is guns aren’t a necessity. Well neither are corvettes, porches and many other cars. Alcohol is not a life sustaining beverage the human body needs. Governments consider the LCBO as an essential service but it’s not. The government got into selling dope. Again it’s not needed. It’s not even healthy. The justifications for this are false. It will not change the fact that gangs carry illegal weapons and will continue to.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
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May 2nd, 2020 08:52 AM
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May 2nd, 2020, 08:56 AM
#22
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
terrym
Many more people don’t have the maturity to consume alcohol or drive automobiles safely. I personally know 2 people who were killed by drunk drivers a cousin and a guy I went to school with. If it’s really about saving lives ( which everybody knows it’s not) then alcohol sales need to be shut down immediately. Virtue signalling by a corrupt Administration who don’t have the balls to debate this in the house. Trudough fired a Justice minister who wouldn’t collaborate in absolving SNC who were on record of buying prostitutes for Kadaffi’s son. Trudough endorses that behaviour by assisting them. This government is inept and corrupt. This will only get worse.
Agreed and its disgusting how many support Trudeau for committing illegal acts. To support a corrupt leader is about as low as it gets.
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May 2nd, 2020, 09:02 AM
#23
Agreed Steve. As I said in your wall. That’s why I won’t join them. I’d rather try and be part of the solution than the problem. But like anyone, they are allowed to think, say, feel whatever they want.
Until anything better comes along I rely on the OFAH. It too is not perfect, but is moderate and reasonable.
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May 2nd, 2020, 09:33 AM
#24
Remember there are many thing we thought would never happen.
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May 2nd, 2020, 10:00 AM
#25
Originally Posted by
sidelock
This is a good example of the sort of inflammatory and juvenile posts that do not help change the narrative and only reinforce the stereotypes.
The only people who will lose their guns due to the new regulations are those are the people who choose to give them up. The government has committed to a "grandfathering regime" for people who wish to keep them or "fair market compensation" for those who don't.
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May 2nd, 2020, 10:34 AM
#26
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
Badenoch
This is a good example of the sort of inflammatory and juvenile posts that do not help change the narrative and only reinforce the stereotypes.
It's historical truth and if you dont like it then I guess the truth hurts for some. It's called dictatorship, theres a reason dictators/communist take guns away from their people.
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May 2nd, 2020, 10:43 AM
#27
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
sidelock
Well, just remember that Trudeau and his praise for Castro and his admiration for China, a government that had tanks run over students, is building it's military like crazy, including building islands and then claiming the area around them, lied and covered up about a world pandemic, when the doctors warned about the Wuhan Pneumonia they just disappeared, and if you believe what I have heard from people I know that have family there told the regions to stop counting and then celebrated when they conquered the virus ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell
More and more by the Liberal parties propensity to lie brazenly and their irrational and ideologue attitudes of those willing to support them and groups like ANTIFA that in voice and action fits the old National Socialist brown shirts... they even dress in black like the Gestapo... Well trust is easily granted but after dozens of lies, coverups, ethics violations to still trust this government makes them an accomplice or an ideologue and when you look at history always remember Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot... they weren't solo acts like the Nova Scotia gunman.
Brian Lilley put it this way.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...lse-gun-agenda
"Not a single argument the Trudeau Liberals put forward to support their new policies stands up to any scrutiny.
If their entire argument is that they don’t like civilians owning guns, even if they aren’t committing crimes, then they should say so.
That the mostly cowardly media questioning them wouldn’t raise a fuss on a single one of their lies speaks volumes about their own particular bias."
Originally Posted by
canadaman30
It's historical truth and if you dont like it then I guess the truth hurts for some. It's called dictatorship, theres a reason dictators/communist take guns away from their people.
BING BING.... correct answer! Hence the saying those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it. But remember those that want to repeat history for profit or power or agenda don't want you to learn and work together and definitely not think! They will also hate those that do, you can see that in Dietrich Bonhoeffer, one of the last acts before the end was to make sure he was executed, it is one of the books on my to read pile....just finishing Robert Spencer's book on Jihad, next is about the secret squadron's of Mosquito and then it is probably about 4 or 5. Many groups think in terms of decades or even generation while so many today are ignorant of that and think of a week from Tuesday at the farthest ahead!
Last edited by mosquito; May 2nd, 2020 at 12:03 PM.
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May 2nd, 2020, 10:59 AM
#28
The “issue” with grandfathering and “fair market value”..
Who gets to determine FMV? The Feds? Please...ask anyone that’s had land expropriated.
And what happens to said value, the day everyone discovers (yesterday) they are no more than paper weights? So while it’s true they are committed to those things....Raise your hand if you’d pay more than nickel today for any of them
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May 2nd, 2020, 11:21 AM
#29
Right now no one should know what guns you have if you been smart
Grandfather them guess what they know exactly who has what and where
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May 2nd, 2020, 11:35 AM
#30
Originally Posted by
Badenoch
This is a good example of the sort of inflammatory and juvenile posts that do not help change the narrative and only reinforce the stereotypes.
The only people who will lose their guns due to the new regulations are those are the people who choose to give them up. The government has committed to a "grandfathering regime" for people who wish to keep them or "fair market compensation" for those who don't.
"Inflammatory Juvenile post ?" what is juvenile is the refusal and unwillingness to accept reality ! Are you denying it never happened or that it can't happen again, because either way you are completely wrong. Dictatorship, tyranny and oppressive governments start by taking away people's freedom one little bit at a time and gradually abuse their power until it's too late to do something about it.
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