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    The best way I've found when speaking with those who don't understand why it's such an issue is to ask them to change the word "firearm" for any other inanimate object of their choosing and apply it to confiscation like "golf clubs" or "tennis rackets". It can change their entire outlook as to the effect that political dogma can have on a society in general. It's impossible to get them to agree in argument because their paradigms are so deeply entrenched,but,by planting the seed,if they're as intelligent and sophisticated as they think they are,they'll start to realize that they're being sold a bucket full of BS.

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    Trimmer.
    I use alcohol. We tried to ban that. It failed. The cost to society is far far worse than 300 gun deaths per year.

    Sidelock.
    I am “left wing” on social issues. Pretty far left. Right wing on fiscal issues. I unlike many know we need to watch pennies, if we want good social niceties. I am a centrist. I cannot stand most politicians. Whether L or R.

    Do you really believe those on R are any different? That they don’t lie to you. Have you so twisted up, you don’t know up from down?
    The NRA are one of the single most powerful political forces in the Western Hemisphere. They have you believing the L are dictators, out to disarm you. The R are so deep in their pockets. They too will tell you anything. What, you think the right are trustworthy? Well look at the joke and travesty known as Donald Trump. Those that will convince you that it’s all about free will, freedom, and capitalism will have you bonded in servitude and slavery to debt by the time your out of University and it just gets worse.

    Great, you still have all your guns slave.....



    Lol

    We have far more to actually be worried about, within the next 100 years. Like running out of fresh water, and more. Sure when that day happens it would be nice to have a couple of my guns. I’ll be worm food by then. But if by some miracle I’m still around. If it hits the fan, our guns won’t matter 1 iota. But to be honest, I’d carry my bows. If I make it out of dodge. Arrows are re-useable, craftable, and silent. Kinda like Daryl in walking dead......
    Last edited by JBen; May 3rd, 2020 at 04:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    Communities and places occupied by Muslims where you can't go? There is no such place in Canada.

    My hope isn't "loose." One of your screws may be a different story.


    I'll get zero. None of mine are on the list.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    I've taken dozens of people including politicians and political staffers out to shoot guns of all types including restricted and prohibs (yes I own them) and definitely changed minds too.
    Well I will just have to wait till your Handguns are on the next list. Since you don't own any of the long guns on the list, your Restricted and Prohibited most be hand guns.

    You wanted the Long guns taken away, don't cry when the next list is handguns.
    Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.

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    Really what municipalities are going to ban them?. You think the city of Toronto has the balls to ban then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    Trimmer.
    I use alcohol. We tried to ban that. It failed. The cost to society is far far worse than 300 gun deaths per year.

    Sidelock.
    I am “left wing” on social issues. Pretty far left. Right wing on fiscal issues. I unlike many know we need to watch pennies, if we want good social niceties. I am a centrist. I cannot stand most politicians. Whether L or R.

    Do you really believe those on R are any different? That they don’t lie to you. Have you so twisted up, you don’t know up from down?
    The NRA are one of the single most powerful political forces in the Western Hemisphere. They have you believing the L are dictators, out to disarm you. The R are so deep in their pockets. They too will tell you anything. What, you think the right are trustworthy? Well look at the joke and travesty known as Donald Trump. Those that will convince you that it’s all about free will, freedom, and capitalism will have you bonded in servitude and slavery to debt by the time your out of University and it just gets worse.

    Great, you still have all your guns slave.....



    Lol

    We have far more to actually be worried about, within the next 100 years. Like running out of fresh water, and more. Sure when that day happens it would be nice to have a couple of my guns. I’ll be worm food by then. But if by some miracle I’m still around. If it hits the fan, our guns won’t matter 1 iota. But to be honest, I’d carry my bows. If I make it out of dodge. Arrows are re-useable, craftable, and silent. Kinda like Daryl in walking dead......
    When I say politicians I'm referring to all politicians regardless which party they represent. All I know is what was done was not according to the way a democracy is suppose to functions. Also when he banned the guns on the list he said starting immediately, that means that the people at the gun range target shooting with guns that were on the list would be considered criminals braking the law and could have been thrown in jail transporting those firearms home from the shooting range. The other issue is exempting indigenous people and the only reason is because he knows they will not give up their firearms without a fight and I don't necessarily mean in a court of law or in parliament.
    Last edited by sidelock; May 3rd, 2020 at 06:12 PM.

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    Upon looking closely at the regulation a question that might be worth asking is why all the fuss?

    http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2...f/g2-154x3.pdf

    From the regulatory impact statement. Pg. 54

    During the amnesty period, the Government intends to implement a buy-back program to compensate affected owners for the value of their firearms after they are delivered to a police officer; however, until a buy-back program is offered, affected owners will not be eligible for compensation. An option to participate in a grandfathering regime would also be made available for affected owners. Further public communications on the buy-back program and the grandfathering regime will follow later.
    The result is people who own the guns on the list can keep them. They will be available in the event the descendants of Hitler, Stalin or Mao make an appearance in Ontario, rampaging ethnic minorities storm your home or Deep State agents sent by George Soros want to come over and steal your beer. Wolverines!

    Meanwhile, people who own the guns but don't want to keep them will be compensated for giving them up. With the ink on a government cheque barely dry they can scurry to the gun store to buy something new. And who doesn't like a new gun?

    And if you are among the unfortunates who don't have one of the listed guns and need to fend off despotic governments, local tyrants or neighbourhood busybodies there remains a variety of quality, military-style, semi-automatic rifles from which to choose. The Tavor, Advanced Combat Rifle, Russian/Chicom SKS, Ruger PC9 and the Garand are still legal to purchase.

    Everybody happy now?
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    Sidelock. I mostly realized that. You did say politicians, not Liberals.

    Don’t misunderstand me. I am seething. And many people here ( including myself) “predicted” this years ago.

    Will they ever “disarm” us? Highly doubt it, but never say never is my motto. Stranger things happen all the time. Who would dreamed just 2 years. We’d be living days like today. Where we aren’t far from martial law, and our economy is crippled.....

    I do chuckle when hard right NRA types, do bring that up. This isn’t the 1800s when militias stood a wee chance. If push comes to shove and they ever tried that. Resistance would be futile.
    I’d love to see a well armed milita vs 1 Blackhawk. Let alone tanks and armored vehicles.....how’d they make out in WACO?

    Better off grabbing your bows if you can get out of dodge....

    the reality is, we have more more to concerned about. Today, and maybe as little as 50-100 years.
    Last edited by JBen; May 3rd, 2020 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    I've taken dozens of people including politicians and political staffers out to shoot guns of all types including restricted and prohibs (yes I own them) and definitely changed minds too. But all of our hard work goes right into the dumper when some gun owning moron starts babbling about Mao, Lenin and Hitler, fighting despots, making comparisons with China, North Korea and Iran or as seen on more notorious Canadian gun web forums promoting illegal acts, armed protests and in extreme cases implying violent resistance.
    And to prove my point about our hard work going into the dumper when emotionally unstable idiots start ranting and raving.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...re-on-your-own

    MOORE: Gun owners, you're on your own
    John Moore
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    May 4, 2020

    Gun owners, fair warning; I no longer have your back.

    If Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s latest legislation against assault weapons really is the first salvo in a campaign to take away every last gun, then you’re on your own.

    When Toronto Mayor John Tory and his Calgary counterpart, Nahead Nenshi, ban shooting ranges, it’s your fight.

    It wasn’t always this way.

    If I am to be labeled a “liberal,” then I was one of the rare ones willing to stand by you. I live in possibly the greatest concentration of left leaners in the country.

    I am a bike riding, Chardonnay swilling, Toronto downtowner. I have also spent the last 20 years of my career writing and radio broadcasting and I have always defended the rights of gun owners. No more.

    I’m done with your hectoring and condescension. I’m through with your paranoia.


    I don’t need to be lectured on a constitutional amendment from another country. The fact that I don’t own a gun is immaterial. That I live in an urban setting doesn’t mean I don’t understand a farmer’s need for a firearm for pest control.

    I also don’t need the patronizing reminders about how it’s not “a weapon.”

    This new indifference stems from a tweet I posted on May 1 that read: “I support gun rights for hunters and target shooters. I don’t know why anyone needs automatic weapons.”

    A pretty rare endorsement from a guy who lives in the most liberal North American city outside of San Francisco.

    But this brought on such a torrent of abusive tweets my Twitter feed started to look like one of the screens from the Matrix.

    Many dwelled on my use of the word “automatic” with tart dispositions about the intricacies of different guns. Ok, I get it. I should have said “assault.”

    I don’t have a PhD in guns but you likely don’t have a degree in economics and yet I’m sure you have views on the federal budget.

    NO small number of people said “automatic” guns are already banned in Canada. In which case, why the outrage? If Trudeau and Blair are banning something that is already banned, let’s all go back to bed.

    I’ll set aside those who called me a “libtard.”

    I may not be an expert in guns but I have fired one. I have a policy of trying pretty well everything and if I was going to talk about guns on my radio show (which is in a city where the mayor wants to ban ALL guns), then I thought I should go to a gun range.

    My friend, Becky Coles, and her father, John, took me to an indoor range. They taught me to load the magazine of a CZ 75 Compact.

    John instructed me on aiming, trigger pressure and recoil. I fired maybe 100 shots. Like most first-timers, I had some good luck. I get that the skill and the thrill are in replicating the good shots.

    It was not an experience I care to repeat. I’m just not a gun person. Becky and John have no interest in my hobbies of cycling and golfing.

    But that’s the difference. I understand that target shooting is a hobby not a personality disorder. I support hunting (so long as you eat what you kill). I’m not one of those urban snobs who calls gun owners “nutters” or wants to ban ranges or compel people to store their weapons at the range (like many, John and Becky go to different ones).

    I do want sensible gun laws. As a matter of fact, even an overwhelming majority of gun owners have few issues with gun storage and transportation laws. They know they reduce the incidence of suicide, accidents and guns falling into criminal hands.

    Perhaps, the cohort of angry gun owners is small. I can’t tell. But I don’t need their stress-inducing insults and tirades.

    Gun owners, you had an ally but you’re on your own now.
    Good job morons. You turned an ally into an enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    And to prove my point about our hard work going into the dumper when emotionally unstable idiots start ranting and raving.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...re-on-your-own



    Good job morons. You turned an ally into an enemy.
    Pretty words, prove nothing.
    " I was on your side, but when I made a Mistake they hurt my feeling by correcting me. So now I am going to be mean to people I don't ever cared about to begin with."

    That is the reader's Digest version.
    Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    Upon looking closely at the regulation a question that might be worth asking is why all the fuss?

    http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2...f/g2-154x3.pdf

    From the regulatory impact statement. Pg. 54



    The result is people who own the guns on the list can keep them. They will be available in the event the descendants of Hitler, Stalin or Mao make an appearance in Ontario, rampaging ethnic minorities storm your home or Deep State agents sent by George Soros want to come over and steal your beer. Wolverines!

    Meanwhile, people who own the guns but don't want to keep them will be compensated for giving them up. With the ink on a government cheque barely dry they can scurry to the gun store to buy something new. And who doesn't like a new gun?

    And if you are among the unfortunates who don't have one of the listed guns and need to fend off despotic governments, local tyrants or neighbourhood busybodies there remains a variety of quality, military-style, semi-automatic rifles from which to choose. The Tavor, Advanced Combat Rifle, Russian/Chicom SKS, Ruger PC9 and the Garand are still legal to purchase.

    Everybody happy now?
    Quite clearly,you're still not seeing the big picture. Take a look at this and maybe you can get a better idea by reading the whole book. Every Canadian,no matter which side the political spectrum they sit on,need to pay attention. It's not just about of which firearms the ruling party decides to relieve the citizenry. It's about the reason and method they do it.

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”#
    ―#Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn ,#The Gulag Archipelago

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