Right Wrong Or indifferent

[line052]

This is the best reasonable and clearly the important post of this thread, and I have been bashed for this in the past.
You are correct in all you say, and majority just dont get it about our Constitution and Charter. The majority of Canadians believe they have rights, they believe we have Freedom and Democracy (this OIC proves we don't) Harper used OIC to Ban Omar Kadars sister passport application, in 1942 it was used to enslave Japanese citizen in Canada during WWII.

The media is complacent in pushing a narrative and is it biased?..no it is not - it is a business and it produces content that it readers will consume on the left or right of a market share - there is no "Reporters" anymore, only content writers. It is a business model of survival in the 15 sec media wars attention span of people.

Gun owners think that "just wait until we elect a Conservative government" they will change it and make it right!!!. But most have no idea they are but pawns for political vote "getting" by demographics policies, not policies that benefit Canadians, who have been lost in anger identity politics.

Most have no idea how they are manipulated and kept in the dark about questions of rights and freedoms that they think they have. Many in gun community know defending your property is not an option, as you know it will lead to your arrest (justified or not), and they know it will result in seizure of firearms and a lengthy trial which will costs 10's of thousands of dollars even "defense fund" sold by certain firearms groups. Because you have no rights only privileges, and like teenagers - your privileges can be revoked at anytime - well because Mom/Dad (Feds) own the house and rules - and you have none until you move out. Slaves, serfs, compliant sheep..pick your name you fall into.

YET those same gun owners continue to believe that magical party loyalty will protect them, while not realizing if we continue to vote the same parties, we will get same result. Get mad at Red vote Blue - get mad at Blue vote Red. Whatever is done by libs, will undone by cons, which, will be redone libs and in the interim you have supported/approved/voted this knowing full well the risk..you pawns. Most of you have no idea, or apparently dont seem to care that nothing changes - that none of blue or red teams are talking changing the conditions (Charter or Constitution), to give property rights, self defence, free speech - why would they, it takes power from the same people who would use it OIC against you Blue/Red Teams. No; most are giving you hope to get your loyality, did Harper change the conditions of section 91 or 92...no, he gave you just enough hope to you to secure your vote....you were not needed after that..nor cared about..that is a fact.

Name me one party that will remove Section 91 and 92 of Firearms legislation, I can name two Libertarian Party of Canada (est 1973) and PPC (est 2018). Yet no one cares to support them or freedoms, I have ran in elections and had my message heard with heads shaking in agreement with policies presented...but only to be told..we must stop Wynne, we must stop Trudeau and can't take a chance to vote for (you) the ideas we believe in..and here we are...hoping on Conservative answer, which isn't - it is pandering policy to garner your vote - to be changed at the next election, but just enough steal your rights again...

Anyways rant over.

The AR used in crime argument was a blanket argument I hear a lot. How about we change it to " A legally aquired AR15 has never been used in a crime buy a RPAL holder." Is that better? If an AR has been used in a crime I would like to know about it so I can be ready in future discussions with friends. If you have evidence of this please share it.

People were "paranoid" about liberals taking their guns and they did. Maybe all the other "paranoia" is warranted. About 10 years ago I had a friend going off about Agenda 21 and I thought he was "paranoid". So I looked up Agenda 21, read it and compared to the federal, provincial and municipal policies that were being enacted. I didn't think he was so paranoid after that. People use the "paranoia" tag to discount everything that comes out of that persons mouth. Everything that person says might not be right but it's not all wrong either. Is Trudeau going to turn into Mao, no, but why the need to disarm the population? Why are people so eager to be lied to? The arguments about authoritarian power are to try to draw some parallels between today and what has happened in the past. There is a serious lack of historical knowledge in society today.

No Canadian is talking about rights. We all know we don't really have any, the Charter is a feel good measure that the government (all parties) only upholds when it suits them.

We are not going to win a debate on guns with the media against us. The narrative needs to be moved to a freedom issue. Do we want to be free? Do we want the government to have this much power over us with no recourse? The idea of freedom in Canada and America are very different. Canadian freedom is based on permission while the American freedom is based on inalienable rights from God lais out in their constitution.

For the third step you laid out. Do we not already do this? As a gun owner what more controls would you like to see?

You sound like a self loathing gun owner.

[fishermccann]

Line you called anyone who votes for a 'traditional', political party, slaves , serfs, sheep, pawns. Do you feel this will garner votes for your party? In the last federal election your party lost over 20,000 votes down to 8400 in the entire country and only 0.05 % of those who voted. I applaud your standing up for what you believe in, but even the Rhinoceros party got a thousand more votes..

[line052]

If you are offended by that characterization, then stop being one, look at your rights and see who has best interests in mind.... I have never had a problem pointing out truths and problems. I vote and support what I believe in, I used to be one of "you people" (Don Cherry coined) and voted Conservative for 30 yrs..but I am awake to the game played on the voters.

Line you called anyone who votes for a 'traditional', political party, slaves , serfs, sheep, pawns. Do you feel this will garner votes for your party? In the last federal election your party lost over 20,000 votes down to 8400 in the entire country and only 0.05 % of those who voted. I applaud your standing up for what you believe in, but even the Rhinoceros party got a thousand more votes..

[Badenoch]

Line you called anyone who votes for a 'traditional', political party, slaves , serfs, sheep, pawns. Do you feel this will garner votes for your party? In the last federal election your party lost over 20,000 votes down to 8400 in the entire country and only 0.05 % of those who voted. I applaud your standing up for what you believe in, but even the Rhinoceros party got a thousand more votes..

Libertarians aren't worth the bother. Neither are the other fringe parties.

Gun owners have a choice. We can engage in society and the established political structure to make positive changes on the firearms file or continue to lose. Working inside the structure is hard work. It means means making reasonable demands, making some accommodations, being respectful of alternate views, being polite while convincing people who disagree, being patient, recognizing small victories and realizing that you won't get everything you want right away or perhaps ever.

I went through C68 and in the intervening 25 years gun owners haven't changed the narrative and allowed our opponents to define us due reactionary thinking and frequent belligerence. I'm hearing the same old tired arguments in 2020 that I heard in 1995 only louder and more offensive because of social media.

Supporting fringe parties like the Libertarians can be compared to masturbating. You're often alone, it makes you feel good but doesn't accomplish much of any value.

[mosquito]

Line052

Don't worry, remember the party that is in power now got less votes ... less votes than the opposition party actually.

But that party in power has supporters that are OK with...
Lies (budgets, SNC, Jody W.R., Admiral Norman, firearms etc.)
Ethics violations (Trudeau 3X, Morneau etc.)
a PM that gropes reporters and the apology is .... questionable
coverups and interference in police investigations
payouts to terrorists but vets ask too much
putting up illegal immigrants in hotels while the homeless freeze
Etc.
basically anything that in a basic course on morals would amount to a failure.


“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

Then throw in the media lying and covering up, Union support....
https://twitter.com/UniforTheUnion/s...450797568?s=19

Attitudes and language that would look silly in Orwell's 1984 but are comparable to 1930's Germany or Stalin's "media"....

Seizing the private property of tens of thousands (or if they don't fix the 20mm, perhaps hundreds of thousands) of law abiding citizens using the opportunity a person not allowed to have firearms, who had smuggled firearms and obviously planned out the tragedy created for them, .... and they still support the government. US vs THEM, elites running things without supervision and the ability to cover it up, creating an economic disaster with huge long reaching effects, repeated attempts to seize power or avoid accountability for their actions ... welcome to 2020 Canada! ... and of course telling the truth will get you mocked and hated.... since I was reading this morning they remind me of Proverbs 9:7-8 .... think of where your time is better spent.

[grumpygeezer]

In the past week there has been two drug busts in Simcoe county..probably more..illegal handguns found, drugs, cash, stolen items etc..all but one perpetrator were released (he had an outstanding warrant for breach of probation) with a future court date sometime in late August (maybe). My point?..our governments fail to respond to the appropriate punishment of criminals because they have rights. My legal privilege to own certain weapons has been taken away on the whim of misinformed prime minister and an ex police chief in denial to garner votes when his government is brought down. Until such time that politicians get to the underlying problem of crime and punishment for criminals, and stop catering to Indians who seem to have more rights than anyone in this country besides the french, my so called rights and privileges will diminish to nothing. This is what scares me, and should put fear into all law abiding Canadians alike regardless of party affiliation. I wish to be nobodies pawn.

[fishfood]

In the past week there has been two drug busts in Simcoe county..probably more..illegal handguns found, drugs, cash, stolen items etc..all but one perpetrator were released (he had an outstanding warrant for breach of probation) with a future court date sometime in late August (maybe). My point?..our governments fail to respond to the appropriate punishment of criminals because they have rights. My legal privilege to own certain weapons has been taken away on the whim of misinformed prime minister and an ex police chief in denial to garner votes when his government is brought down. Until such time that politicians get to the underlying problem of crime and punishment for criminals, and stop catering to Indians who seem to have more rights than anyone in this country besides the french, my so called rights and privileges will diminish to nothing. This is what scares me, and should put fear into all law abiding Canadians alike regardless of party affiliation. I wish to be nobodies pawn.

Yeah I dont get it I'm trying to send a link cant haven't found the original yet . Either way 6 involved in this seizure. 2 men where caught with 28 kilos stopped in a traffic stop both men released with a promise to appear in court in the coming months. This stop lead them to the other 4 and the big haul in Quebec. Only of the 3 in this link was sent to prison the other 2 are out on the streets. So I think 1 to 3 out of 6 remains in custody lol. One walked away with o charges

I will try and find the original link.
This was the bust 2000 kilos of opium.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...bec-drug-busts

Just a joke .
But pick on a ar15 that has possibly killed 1 person in almost 50 years of it being in Canada.

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[sidelock]

These videos are long but worth watching in entirety to get a grasp of who or what we are dealing with. Pay particular attention to the 27:47 mark to the end to see how abruptly Bill Blair ends the interview. It also explains the reason the Liberal Government passed the restrictions through an order in council and bypassing parliament. !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04amdjAqlNY

[sidelock]

https://tnc.news/2020/05/04/scapegoa...BNhGxGLd3KjsGg

[Snowwalker]

Well they just confirmed the first 12 gauge shotgun?

Who was saying that some here are just being fear mongers?

Badenock, how would you like your crow?