Muzzleloaders Banned?

[js4fn]

I remember having a squirrel charge me like that couple years ago. What a rush

[Fox]

You don't shoot elephants at 1000 yards. It's close work..real close.

https://youtu.be/z9tC1fVemRM

I am fully aware of that, but the 460 Weatherby has enough energy to do the job that far out, that was my point.

[Fox]

Nothing wildcat about this stuff.

I suspect anything 458 will draw their ire.



My point is that the OIC and wording is really poorly thought out and written.

Ban is wide reaching based on the 20mm and joule limit.

460 Weatherby falls to the ban. That really is dangerous....... for moose.

So your guns are not wildcats in any way? Do you have specs on their factory loading? I have never seen a smoke pole with specs as you are describing, mainly because smokeless guns are now custom, even Savage pulled them off the market. I think that would be defining wildcat.

[MikePal]

Do you have specs on their factory loading?

ML's don't come with 'specs' for loading, per se....they might have Manufacture recommended loads in regard to powder and bullet weights but the load variables are so open it's pretty much anything you feel comfortable with that works for you.

[Snowwalker]

I am fully aware of that, but the 460 Weatherby has enough energy to do the job that far out, that was my point.

If your using artillery sights...

[Big Jack]

So your guns are not wildcats in any way? Do you have specs on their factory loading? I have never seen a smoke pole with specs as you are describing, mainly because smokeless guns are now custom, even Savage pulled them off the market. I think that would be defining wildcat.

No nothing wildcat about it.

As Mike pointed out, recommended loads.

There are a pile of manufacturers in the us that build these guns. They have to give you max loads.


They employ Heavy barrels made by Shilen, Brux, etc.

[Fox]

No nothing wildcat about it.

As Mike pointed out, recommended loads.

There are a pile of manufacturers in the us that build these guns. They have to give you max loads.


They employ Heavy barrels made by Shilen, Brux, etc.

Ok, so how can you justify a gun having a muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules from a muzzle loader? Can you load the barrel to the top with powder then compress it with the bullet, all smokeless? That would probably produce more than 10,000 Joules but also produce a pipe bomb.

There has to be a basis for the 10,000 joules.

I sure as heck would say that 250gr of triple 7 in a muzzle loader would be a wildcat

[Fox]

If your using artillery sights...

Same with a moose at 1000 yards.

[MikePal]

There has to be a basis for the 10,000 joules.

It was written that way to capture the BMG .50 cal type rifles....not muzzle stuffers.

[Big Jack]

It was written that way to capture the BMG .50 cal type rifles....not muzzle stuffers.

Bingo

But the problem is a 50 BMG is over 16000 joules with standard loads.

Poorly written OIC - why set limit at 10,000.