Mandatory Masks

[Badenoch]

How about implementing the policy where I worked, 'for the greater good', no shot no work? You keep asking questions about what I would do , how about you, would you just let nature take it's course? Chips fall where they may? I answered you.. so I asked you previously, 'do you or your family get the flu shot every year?

There will be no mandatory vaccine. It may however be a requirement to work, travel, shop, attend school, hunt and fish or engage in other activities that bring people into contact with others.

[MarkB]

There will be no mandatory vaccine. It may however be a requirement to work, travel, shop, attend school, hunt and fish or engage in other activities that bring people into contact with others.

I agree with that. You should have a right to choose not to do it, but no one has the right to violate other people's sense of security and health ... so if you want to be in public places, you would need to be vaccinated.

[trimmer21]

My Doctor tells me that Covid-19 is a Coronavirus the same as every other flu bug which appear to mutate into different strains every year. The flu shots most people get every year are pathogen-specific and offer little protection against other variations. The best we can hope for is that a vaccine will mitigate the severity should we catch one of the variants or Covid-19 itself. Now,y'all can argue all you want,but,being a Diabetes II patient,I want all the horses I can get on my side. I'm still getting a Flu shot every year and will wear a mask when necessary. The rest of you can do what you like.

[onelessarrow]

Or our corrupt media insinuating that a possible remedy (malaria drug) is poison at the beginning of the fn outbreak because Trump relayed some medical experts early study showing promise.

Notice the media never talk about remedies. They can't even ask those serious question because it will expose their lies.

Are Canadian doctors even prescribing the malaria drug?

Our death rate is double that of the US. Why? It's not from our hospitals being overwhelmed, we know that.

If you're going to point at the US as a reason/excuse to demand masks, don't do it because their cases are going up, do it because we can't control the death rate as well our neighbors.

When I posted this, the US infection rate was just over 10X our number of infected, making it very comparable. The US death rate was 3.9% and Canada was 7.9%.

Since then the US infection rate has skyrocketed for some obvious reasons if you're to believe social distances is a protection.

Our death rate is currently at 7.5 and the US is 3.3. So not only is it still double but they're obviously improving on the therapeutic treatments at a faster pace.

Soon the US may reach the death rate numbers of other flu virus's and yet we have people here that refuse to even acknowledge any of it. Hate, hate, hate.

[Badenoch]

When I posted this, the US infection rate was just over 10X our number of infected, making it very comparable. The US death rate was 3.9% and Canada was 7.9%.

Since then the US infection rate has skyrocketed for some obvious reasons if you're to believe social distances is a protection.

Our death rate is currently at 7.5 and the US is 3.3. So not only is it still double but they're obviously improving on the therapeutic treatments at a faster pace.

Soon the US may reach the death rate numbers of other flu virus's and yet we have people here that refuse to even acknowledge any of it. Hate, hate, hate.

The number of Americans who have died from the virus as a percentage of population however is much higher than ours. 485 per million compared to our 237 per million.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The American rate of death among people who acquire the virus is lower because most deaths here were in long term care facilities and retirement homes where people are more vulnerable due to age and health status. The American death rate is lower because as it rampages through their population it is infecting younger people with a higher survival rate although many will face ongoing health repercussions from the infection.

The reason for the higher death rate among the infected but overall lower death rate is because we've limited community spread by locking down sooner, reopening slower, maintaining social distances, keeping borders closed to non-essential visitors, quarantines and, of course, wearing masks.

Had we acted like the Americans, a lot more Canadians would be dead.

[onelessarrow]

There is zero evidence to show that if our infection rate were to skyrocket we would see an improvement in the death rate over the US. Our trends say otherwise. You can't sugar coat it. The death rate is the death rate.
The virus affected the LTC facilities in both countries similarly. One could even argue that local decisions by governors in NY and NJ inflated the deaths from horrible decisions on how they handled infected covid cases. Which would obviously improve their death rate.
If your going to count it based on population, maybe start adding some European countries together until you equate the US's population to actually see that they're doing something right when it come to controlling the deaths.

[canadaman30]

There will be no mandatory vaccine. It may however be a requirement to work, travel, shop, attend school, hunt and fish or engage in other activities that bring people into contact with others.

Will the people that refuse vaccine have to wear a gold star so we know who to deny rights to?

[Jakezilla]

Will the people that refuse vaccine have to wear a gold star so we know who to deny rights to?

Bingo...pay attention

There are plenty of studies showing both sides of the mask debate. Some countries appear to be doing fine without mandatory masks. Even WHO has flip flopped on the issue. Making masks mandatory is government over reach in my opinion. If you want to wear a mask fine, if you don't that's fine too.

There is no need for mandatory vaccinations either. If you want the vaccine get it and if it works you have nothing to worry about. There is no reason for it to be other than voluntary like the annual flu vaccine.

Everything I have read about the COVID vaccination says it is not a normal vaccination and it is an mRNA vaccination that has never actually been successful. What I have read about it is worrisome and I am not that interested in being a guinea pig for it.

The mortality rate of COVID does not warrant continued lockdowns, mandatory masks or mandatory vaccines.

As gun owners we know how the government lies to prop up the gun lobby and uses emotion to enact nonsense gun laws. What makes you think they aren't using the same tactics and lies to promote mandatory masks and vaccinations.

I am a conservative supporter but Doug Ford's bill that allows them to extend emergency measures without there being a declared emergency is troubling, but everyone is on board because of fear.

Everyone in Canada complains about the Americans and their response to COVID. I just see a population that isn't willing to give up it's rights and freedoms so easily.

[Badenoch]

There is zero evidence to show that if our infection rate were to skyrocket we would see an improvement in the death rate over the US. Our trends say otherwise. You can't sugar coat it. The death rate is the death rate.
The virus affected the LTC facilities in both countries similarly. One could even argue that local decisions by governors in NY and NJ inflated the deaths from horrible decisions on how they handled infected covid cases. Which would obviously improve their death rate.
If your going to count it based on population, maybe start adding some European countries together until you equate the US's population to actually see that they're doing something right when it come to controlling the deaths.

The comparisons with the EU are available on the link I provided.

U.S. deaths as a proportion of population 10th globally. Their rate is lower than Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy and Sweden. Their rate is higher than every other EU nation.

More important is that currently America stands 3rd globally in new deaths with 514. The nearest EU country in new deaths is the UK at 65. Even accounting for the larger population Americans are dying at a faster rate today than any country in the EU.

[Badenoch]

Will the people that refuse vaccine have to wear a gold star so we know who to deny rights to?

The right of you to wander around in public and potentially infect people is less important than the right of people not be to infected by you. It's one of the reasons masks are mandatory in most of Ontario.