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[diverduck]

If some CO wants to track me 2k back into the bush , find my stand in the dark and check and see if I have chambered a round at 06:15 instead on 06:17...then the MNR has a huge problem with their application of enforcement.

Man you guys are a bunch of Nervous Nellies ..... I think they call it Capiophobia...look it up.

I have it from the horses mouth, at least in this area, a CO will not go into the bush to look for hunters breaking rules, especially in the dark. It's a safety issue.

So what goes on in the tree stand at 06:15 am is between you and your conscience, because no one is ever going to find out what you do back there.

This is fact. Where you will be caught every time is on the way back to the truck after legal. Make sure you have a gun sock!

[diverduck]

You seriously think they would just let you go without paying for any Legal or Court costs?

In the scenario he is describing, yes absolutely. In a scenario with other supporting evidence, perhaps not.

[diverduck]

I think the point of this whole thread was to point out that there a whole lot of ethics warriors on forums but in practice a lot of dudes do things a bit differently in the field. I’ve seen it enough times to believe that is correct. And very few of them have nefarious intent, they just get where they are going and proceed to get ready for daylight. Personally, during deer week for the most part I couldn’t have seen the end of my gun barrel before legal if I’d wanted to, full moon or not.

[Bushmoose]

I think the point of this whole thread was to point out that there a whole lot of ethics warriors on forums but in practice a lot of dudes do things a bit differently in the field. I’ve seen it enough times to believe that is correct. And very few of them have nefarious intent, they just get where they are going and proceed to get ready for daylight. Personally, during deer week for the most part I couldn’t have seen the end of my gun barrel before legal if I’d wanted to, full moon or not.

Exactly! No one mentioned anything about shooting before legal time or after legal time. Out of this whole thread I think there was only one person "wink wink, nudge nudge"? Most of the other girlyguys were too busy trying to undo the knots in their panties. Anyway no harm no foul. On to the next.....

[Gilroy]

I think the point of this whole thread was to point out that there a whole lot of ethics warriors on forums but in practice a lot of dudes do things a bit differently in the field. I’ve seen it enough times to believe that is correct. And very few of them have nefarious intent, they just get where they are going and proceed to get ready for daylight. Personally, during deer week for the most part I couldn’t have seen the end of my gun barrel before legal if I’d wanted to, full moon or not.

Do you see any advantage in sitting in a stand not being able to have seen the end of your gun barrel. How much noise have you made walking through the bush at that time,have you exposed yourself to any danger you could have avoided,did you use a flashlight.I suppose if you think any of this helped your hunt,have at it.

[rick_iles]

Can't uncock an anti-dry fire crossbow with a rope. Also technically illegal to discharge a firearm/crossbow within city limits. But mostly what I care about is not shooting a 460fps crossbow in an apartment. So basically my best option is a bolt with a couple washers and a target point right into the dirt.

I uncock my bow all the time with anti-dryfire. You just need to learn how ....

[410001661]

First of all we should not care what the other guy(s) do.......it is none of our business. I hunt my way and that is the way I hunt. I am very ethical and have never taken anything outside of legal hunting hours or have I ever shot a turkey in the roost (which is not illegal.......but I consider highly unethical).

Funny story..........I am fortunate to have 5-6 farms that I can hunt on and took a guy on a turkey hunt about 4 years back (met him on this site actually). We met at Timmies and transferred his stuff to my truck for the drive to the farm. We park in the laneway and from my truck we have about a 800m walk to the edge of the bush down a farmers laneway and the ground blind is only about 40yds into the bush close to where the birds are roosted (about 100-125yds away). We get out and put our vests on and gear up when this guy comes around the corner of the truck and says I'm all ready. I look down and ask him what is with that - pointing to his Plano hard gun case with a pad lock on the handle that he was holding. I said get a gun sock........legal and quiet. He smiles and says you can never be too safe. I convince him to take the pad lock off the handle at least and we start the walk out.

About 1/2 way to the blind we stop at three large oak trees and I pull off my gun sock and hang it on a branch, load up and put the safety on (it's legal shoot time.....I'm locked and loaded). I tell him I will pick my sock up on the way out. I look at him and almost beg him to ditch the huge Plano hard case and he says no, he will wait until he gets to the blind - you can never be too safe. We continue the move to the tree line then sneak into the blind and sit down nice and quiet - the chairs were there waiting for us and it was an amazing morning.

Then the show started. Bang.....the case hit a log......thump on the chair and then the two *snaps* of the case release - I leaned over and said quiet the birds are only 80-100 yds away. He pulls out the gun and the case slides off his lap hitting the ground with a thump - he gets a dirty look form me. Finally he settles down and then he whispers to me we have a problem, I left the keys to the trigger lock back in your truck. I roll my eyes and took his gun our of his hands and handed him mine and said put he crosshairs on his head and pull the trigger.

Needless to say we never got that far.........we watched the birds pitch down and walk away (not surprised). We had a very good talk on the walk out about what is legal and why. I explained to him that yes........ you can be too safe when hunting (especially turkey when being stealth is key).

[greatwhite]

Yeah I did that once showed up to my tree stand and realized I forgot the keys. I use a sock or soft case now without the lock.

First of all we should not care what the other guy(s) do.......it is none of our business. I hunt my way and that is the way I hunt. I am very ethical and have never taken anything outside of legal hunting hours or have I ever shot a turkey in the roost (which is not illegal.......but I consider highly unethical).

Funny story..........I am fortunate to have 5-6 farms that I can hunt on and took a guy on a turkey hunt about 4 years back (met him on this site actually). We met at Timmies and transferred his stuff to my truck for the drive to the farm. We park in the laneway and from my truck we have about a 800m walk to the edge of the bush down a farmers laneway and the ground blind is only about 40yds into the bush close to where the birds are roosted (about 100-125yds away). We get out and put our vests on and gear up when this guy comes around the corner of the truck and says I'm all ready. I look down and ask him what is with that - pointing to his Plano hard gun case with a pad lock on the handle that he was holding. I said get a gun sock........legal and quiet. He smiles and says you can never be too safe. I convince him to take the pad lock off the handle at least and we start the walk out.

About 1/2 way to the blind we stop at three large oak trees and I pull off my gun sock and hang it on a branch, load up and put the safety on (it's legal shoot time.....I'm locked and loaded). I tell him I will pick my sock up on the way out. I look at him and almost beg him to ditch the huge Plano hard case and he says no, he will wait until he gets to the blind - you can never be too safe. We continue the move to the tree line then sneak into the blind and sit down nice and quiet - the chairs were there waiting for us and it was an amazing morning.

Then the show started. Bang.....the case hit a log......thump on the chair and then the two *snaps* of the case release - I leaned over and said quiet the birds are only 80-100 yds away. He pulls out the gun and the case slides off his lap hitting the ground with a thump - he gets a dirty look form me. Finally he settles down and then he whispers to me we have a problem, I left the keys to the trigger lock back in your truck. I roll my eyes and took his gun our of his hands and handed him mine and said put he crosshairs on his head and pull the trigger.

Needless to say we never got that far.........we watched the birds pitch down and walk away (not surprised). We had a very good talk on the walk out about what is legal and why. I explained to him that yes........ you can be too safe when hunting (especially turkey when being stealth is key).

[diverduck]

Do you see any advantage in sitting in a stand not being able to have seen the end of your gun barrel. How much noise have you made walking through the bush at that time,have you exposed yourself to any danger you could have avoided,did you use a flashlight.I suppose if you think any of this helped your hunt,have at it.

Gilroy,

Did I make any mention of how I hunt, wether I was in before dawn or 30 minutes after daylight? Perhaps I was sitting on my tailgate drinking coffee until 10am. I merely made a statement of fact based on personal knowledge of what the conditions where like at legal light on the week of deer in my WMU. As usual you’ve completely missed the point and are busy running around like a judgy Judy. Best just stick to plotting gun bans and the rise of your great leader chairman Poo!

[DanO]

I adhere to the law. LOL, as hard as I try, I never get to my spot until after legal shooting hours starts anyway. What can I say? I’m slow. I also don’t want to shoot anything at the end of the day either. Tracking and gutting a deer in the dark is not a lot of fun.

Yup! What Sam said!! LOL